Ulic-Qel Droma - Underrated!

Started by S_W_LeGenD6 pages

Ulic-Qel Droma is underestimated, I agree.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He said at least Dooku's level, which means potentially above that.

Neither Kun nor Qel-Droma have anything on contending with Yoda or contending with Obi-Wan and Anakin together. They're close, but not equal, let alone superior.


There is not much room for improvement over Count Dooku's dueling finesse, this much is true. However, there is more to the combat prowess than just martial skills. 😉

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He overpowered him in the Force. Your Force power is directly related to your ability to augment yourself. Your augmentation is a large part of your ability as a lightsaber combatant. See what I'm getting at?

Kun didn't overpower him by virtue of being more powerful - he won because Luke didn't know how to defend against his esoteric attacks, and also because he exploited Kyp's potential (or so it seems).

Your Force power is directly related to your ability to augment yourself, but your ability to augment yourself, like all Force powers, requires mastery in of itself. Granted, I expect both Kun and Qel-Droma to have mastered it.

Do you use reverse scaling from people's Force augmentation to determine how powerful they are?

I'd need to look into that myself. Haven't gotten around to reading I, Jedi yet.

Where it can clear up an uncertainty. Of course there are times when an individual is simply better or worse at augmentation then they might be in other areas of the Force which is where it gets muddled. But for the most part augmentation can be assumed to scale with the rest of a user's Force abilities.

Kyp Durron (with a lot of his potential unlocked, it seems) + Exar Kun's spirit + using abilities Luke didn't know how to defend against + the fact Luke was specifically only defending himself + they were on a dark side nexus = the circumstances behind Luke's defeat.

I think some of those factors you mentioned might be misinterpretations given what I've heard from the opposition.

Like I said though I need to read it for myself one of these days.

The only thing up for debate is the level of Durron's abilities. 👇

Maybe that's the case, maybe not. I'll have to address the matter once I verify the situation for myself.

Google the Exar Kun Respect Thread and verify... It's that simple.

It doesn't have the context for the quotes.

Then download the book from Hungry Ewok and find the paragraph and see what happens. 30 seconds of your life...

I'd rather just read the book then.

Quotes do indeed suggest that Kyp's potential was somehow unlocked by Kun.

All of which is irrelevant given we have two entirely separate sources making it clear that spirit!Kun was far more powerful than Durron was, furthermore spirit!Kun was never even close to full power throughout the series either.bSo even if you go with the Kyp's potential argument, that only makes Kun's complete superiority over him even more impressive.

Ulic is very much underrated, I agree.

Originally posted by AncientPower
All of which is irrelevant given we have two entirely separate sources making it clear that spirit!Kun was far more powerful than Durron was, furthermore spirit!Kun was never even close to full power throughout the series either.bSo even if you go with the Kyp's potential argument, that only makes Kun's complete superiority over him even more impressive.

Kyp's efforts being feeble wasn't in a moment where his potential was unlocked, lol.

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Originally posted by Trocity
Kun was debunked
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Originally posted by Beniboybling [QUOTE=16028081]Originally posted by Trocity
Kun was debunked

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Originally posted by SunRazer
Kyp's efforts being feeble wasn't in a moment where his potential was unlocked, lol.

Yet that's the only relevant point where Kyp's potential might have come into play, rendering any massively debunked argument against Kun's power in JA completely moot. As I've done so many times that it has become utterly egregious to even continue arguing a point that I've won on countless times.