Ulic-Qel Droma - Underrated!

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yet that's the only relevant point where Kyp's potential might have come into play

Where he's stated to be feeble before Kun reinforces his power, something that remains present when Luke turns up right afterwards. I mean he couldn't even overwhelm Corran Horn until Kun interfered and stomped him whilst masking the attack from a room full of Jedi, including Luke himself.

But **** context, amirite?

Originally posted by AncientPower
before Kun reinforces his power

Against the full might of Kyp Durron and the forbidden weapons of the long-dead spirit of Exar Kun, even a Jedi Master such as Luke Skywalker could not prevail.
- Jedi Academy Trilogy: Dark Apprentice

But **** context, amirite?

Almost as if you're ignoring all the other context to push your years-old anti-Kun agenda out of spite. Kyp's entire dark side knowledge and dark side power originates in Exar Kun, something he loses instantly when Kun is banished to the void.

Kyp is powerful due to Exar Kun's empowerment of him, where he is far less powerful otherwise.

But do we consider this amplification Exar Kun's own power or Kyp's power being opened up by Kun?

I don't know, I'm kind of divided on this issue.

Unless I'm forgetting something, the claim that Kyp's efforts were feeble in comparison to Kun's was in relation to the Sun Crusher. Not when he attacked Luke.

They're two parts of the same scene. Kyp summons the Suncrusher, Luke senses it, Luke goes to face Kyp, Luke gets stomped.

The entire fight is Luke's perspective, not Kyp's, so obviously it won't say one way or the other.

Simply put, Kyp is a 'light breeze' compared to Kun's 'gale' in terms of telekinetic prowess and is 'feeble' in a comparison of sense abilities.

There's no argument there.

Except Kyp's potential obviously wasn't unlocked during the Sun Crusher bit because NJO Kyp is already capable of performing better feats than that, lol.

So Kyp went Super Saiyan against Luke? Because that is essentially what you're claiming.

No, that's what this is claiming:

Against the full might of Kyp Durron and the forbidden weapons of the long-dead spirit of Exar Kun, even a Jedi Master such as Luke Skywalker could not prevail.

-- Jedi Academy Trilogy: Dark Apprentice

'Full might' being amped by Kun:

He also_bolsters Kyp's talents_to allow him to defeat Luke and place him in a coma.
--Taken from the Jedi Academy Sourcebook

Which we already know, because reading the book shows us Kun amping him in the first place, you're merely trying to claim that the amp mysteriously disappeared upon Luke's arrival. Which the above quote directly contradicts.

I didn't say the amp disappeared. I said Kyp's potential was unlocked against Luke, which was an added benefit.

Yes, unsurprisingly, being massively amped by Kun's spirit, who is stated to provide a far more powerful amp than the Great Temple's focal point, provided him the full might of his potential. You're making a difference where none exists.

So Kun as a vastly weakened spirit is far more powerful than a full potential Kyp, with Kyp's potential being comparable to Luke's? Did you consider what you said at all before you said it?

Given it actually says nothing about potential, it only being implied by yourself. I put plenty of thought into it, just for the record 'full might' can be taken multiple ways. Your's being the least logical.

Kyp's "full might" obviously isn't anything that's "feeble" in comparison to Kun's might, given that the quote makes specific note of Kyp's might and Kun's forbidden weaponry being the reasons for Luke's defeat. Kun's might isn't mentioned at all - it's obvious that Kyp's might at this point is greater Kun's, since Kun's big contribution to the fight, as per the quote, was his arsenal of forbidden dark side weapons, not his raw power.

His 'full might' is being massively amped by Kun, whom he's been compared very unfavorably to in numerous sources in terms of prowess. How are you reading that quote and selectively ignoring the unmistakable fact that Kun's bolster allowed him to defeat Luke? You're claiming his potential was unlocked when we already know that his full might as of that point is himself being amped several magnitudes above his punch by Exar Kun's spirit.

The fact that Kun brought his power up by that much does not mean Kun actually had that level of power himself. If he did, he wouldn't have needed Kyp. That's what the quote is saying. It's Kyp's raw power and Kun's unorthodox spells that bring down Luke.

Nope, because sources confirm that Kyp and co. didn't provide him enough power in the first place.

Right, which is why Kun had to do the inverse by providing Kyp power instead.

If your implication is that Kun alone, as a weakened spirit, could've easily trounced Luke, then that's contradicted and flat-out wrong.