Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need labels to determine that?Luke Skywalker (technically and logically) established the New Jedi Order on Yavin IV, years before 25 ABY.
That's the New Republic Era, officially and chronologically. And he didn't establish a Jedi Order, just a praxeum. In Vector Prime we see Jedi have barely any coordination and don't even work together, and barely interact; there was no Order until the NJO series, which is 25 ABY.
Besides, unless Exar Kun has the same circumstances he had in Jedi Academy he isn't beating NR Luke.
Originally posted by MythLord
That's the New Republic Era, officially and chronologically. And he didn't establish a Jedi Order, just a praxeum. In Vector Prime we see Jedi have barely any coordination and don't even work together, and barely interact; there was no Order until the NJO series, which is 25 ABY.
Following the Galactic Civil War, Luke Skywalker, the first of a new generation of Jedi Knights, reestablishes the Jedi Order and begins training new students in the ways of the Force. This new Jedi Order starts out at Yavin 4, and then eventually moves to other locales, including the Jedi Academy on Ossus.
Taken from the Jedi Academy Training Manual
As I pointed out, the New Jedi Order was founded in 11 ABY. Of-course, it was the start. The rest is semantics.
Originally posted by MythLord
Besides, unless Exar Kun has the same circumstances he had in Jedi Academy he isn't beating NR Luke.
Exar Kun has significant limitations as a spirit. Kyp Durron was like his body at that time. So when we consider Exar Kun in his original form (and his prime), we get the same results.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
1. He had the help of Kyp Durron, someone with greater potential than Luke.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
2. He was on a Darkside Nexus, which strenghtened Kun and weakened Luke.
Exar Kun was just able to sustain his incorporeal presence by drawing strength from the external environment in Yavin 4. When the Jedi arrived there, he was able to draw strength from them, to grow more powerful. However, such gains were temporary because he would expend the energy in tedious actions. This is why Exar Kun needed a permanent body.
Therefore, the environment was not strengthening Exar Kun in the slightest.
On the other hand, Luke Skywalker was not much hindered on Yavin 4. An indication is that Exar Kun sensed great power in him in the same environment.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
3. Luke had no knowledge on sorcery before.
And this is an advantage.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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Did you even read the sources? Exar Kun was just able to sustain his incorporeal presence by drawing strength from the external environment in Yavin 4. When the Jedi arrived there, he was able to draw strength from them, to grow more powerful. However, such gains were temporary because he would expend the energy in tedious actions. This is why Exar Kun needed a permanent body. Therefore, the environment was not strengthening Exar Kun in the slightest. On the other hand, Luke Skywalker was not much hindered on Yavin 4. An indication is that Exar Kun sensed great power in him in the same environment.
Correct.
And this is an advantage.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Almost as if you're ignoring all the other context to push your years-old anti-Kun agenda out of spite.
Have you ever considered the actual reason might be that your arguments are in fact, terrible? No of course not, carry on. 😂
Kyp's entire dark side knowledge and dark side power originates in Exar Kun, something he loses instantly when Kun is banished to the void.In the respect that Kun was a catalyst for unlocking Kyp's latent potential yeah. But no, the idea that Kyp is getting all his power from Kun is just some shit you made up, lol.Kyp is powerful due to Exar Kun's empowerment of him, where he is far less powerful otherwise.
And as far as the Suncrusher feat is concerned, in it the text expliclty describes Kun as tapping into Kyp's abilities and in this way enhancing them, with Kyp using his innate abilities, unlocked by Kun, to retrieve the Sun Crusher (while channelling that power through the Massassi Temple), with yes Luke arriving immediately after, and without Kun withdrawing his influence:
He reached out with his mind, following the paths of the Force that led to every object in the universe, drawing power from the cosmic focal point of the Massassi temple. He searched, sending his thoughts like a probe deep into the storm systems of the gas giant. Behind him, Kyp felt the black-ice power of Exar Kun arise, tapping into him and reinforcing his abilities. His own feeble exploratory touch suddenly plunged forward like a blaster bolt. Kyp felt larger, a part of the jungle moon, then a part of the entire planetary system, until he burrowed into the heart of the gas giant itself.
Instead, with the assistance of Exar Kun, he used his innate skill to power up the controls again, to move the control levers, push buttons to alter the course stored in the Sun Crusher's memory, bringing it out of its entombment.Or in other words, Kun bolstered Kyp's talents by unlocking his "full might", with which, along with Kun's own "forbidden weapons", he defeated Luke.
Originally posted by AncientPower👆
There's no argumenttherehere.
Concession accepted.
Some sources compare Luke Skywalker's potential to that of Anakin Skywalker. Want me to share?
I obviously did. After all, it was an Dark Side Nexus. I never said that Kun wasn´t weakened as well, lol.
Exar Kun passed the millennia in uneasy slumber.
A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy. For a time, he is able to subside by feeding on their residual energy, but soon he will need worshippers if he is to grow more active. With a nucleus of followers to provide him energy-providing anger and fear, Kun will have enough power to escape his exile and take on human form. To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier, now much more powerful in the Force. Too powerful, for the moment, for Kun to tackle.
Taken from the Jedi Academy Sourcebook
Your argument about Exar Kun benefiting from the environment of Yavin 4 in this era, is essentially null and void.
Also, only because Kun sensed great power in him doesn´t mean that he wasn´t hindered laughing
To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier, now much more powerful in the Force. Too powerful, for the moment, for Kun to tackle.
Taken from the Jedi Academy Sourcebook
Exar Kun actually noticed a significant growth in power in Luke Skywalker in a span of 4 years. Your argument doesn't holds much water even in this case.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
😂Some sources compare Luke Skywalker's potential to that of Anakin Skywalker. Want me to share?
😂
Exar Kun passed the millennia in uneasy slumber.
A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy. For a time, he is able to subside by feeding on their residual energy, but soon he will need worshippers if he is to grow more active. With a nucleus of followers to provide him energy-providing anger and fear, Kun will have enough power to escape his exile and take on human form. To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier, now much more powerful in the Force. Too powerful, for the moment, for Kun to tackle.
Taken from the [B]Jedi Academy Sourcebook
Your argument about Exar Kun benefiting from the environment of Yavin 4 in this era, is essentially null and void.
Really?
To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier, now much more powerful in the Force. Too powerful, for the moment, for Kun to tackle.
Taken from the Jedi Academy Sourcebook
Exar Kun actually noticed a significant growth in power in Luke Skywalker in a span of 4 years. Your argument doesn't holds much water even in this case. [/B]