Isaiah Bone vs Ip Man

Originally posted by KingD19
YouTube video
Ip vs Frank(Mike Tyson)

Frank is several times stronger than Twister, having borderline if not just over the edge super strength in the film. And also a better fighter and faster as well, seeing as how he tied with Ip who was going all out, and is even bigger than Twister. Yet Twister lost to a gimped Ip with fewer feats. Bone is just slow in comparison.

Ip has already tied with this guy, who would beat Bone imo based on comparative fights/feats.

Round 2 definitely goes to Ip, who has far more and better weapon feats.

First off, where are you getting that Frank is stronger and faster than Twister? Do you have any proof of this? It certainly isn't shown in the vid you posted. After all, Twister was the one who was able to kill a martial arts master and was hurting Ip even with gloves on.

Second, nothing in that vid shows that Frank is faster than Bone. And so what if Ip tied with him? Ip man tied with a pure boxer. Whoopidoo. He tied with Frank by using fists, elbows and kicks against a guy who used pure fists. Not exactly a great showing for Ip man.

Guess what, Bone can box, kick and grapple. he also knows more styles than Ip man and has better feats than Frank.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Funny how you're willing to attribute skill to IP's opponents based solely on the fact that they're called "masters" and yet refuse to attribute skill to Pretty boy Price despite him being world champion. Biased much?

Because the fighters that ip fought are skilled, the mere fact that twister defeated the rival of ip is a feat of skill.

How about the opponent's of bone? Did they showed any remarkable feats? Its not hard to see that ip is more skilled than bone due to the fact that ip faced more challenging fights than bone and again bone only defeated street chumps. Deal with it

You guys are crazy. Ip man is suspect when it comes boxers and American fighters. Bone would best frank in less than a minute.
Bone can easily beat Ip man by grappling him.

Originally posted by h1a8
You guys are crazy. Ip man is suspect when it comes boxers and American fighters. Bone would best frank in less than a minute.
Bone can easily beat Ip man by grappling him.

He only fought 2 boxers, twister and frank

Ips fight against twister was a handicap match (ips moveset was restricted, no kicks and grappling) but still he defeated twister, btw twister is not an american he was british

And ip stalemated frank.

Originally posted by Drsoe08
He only fought 2 boxers, twister and frank

Ips fight against twister was a handicap match (ips moveset was restricted, no kicks and grappling) but still he defeated twister, btw twister is not an american he was british

And ip stalemated frank.

The fight against Twister wasn't a handicap because both fighters were restricted to hands only. That's not handicapping, that's called making the fight fair. If anything, Twister was at a disadvantage because he was wearing gloves.

Ip tying with Frank is an even worse argument for Ip because he tied with a pure boxer, using pure fists, while Ip himself used every available tool in his arsenal to simply tie. Bone won't just be using fists. Bottom line is, Ip Man always has trouble fighting heavy weights. But unlike Twister and Frank, Bone actually can use more than just his fists to fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The fight against Twister wasn't a handicap because both fighters were restricted to hands only. That's not handicapping, that's called making the fight fair. If anything, Twister was at a disadvantage because he was wearing gloves.

Ip tying with Frank is an even worse argument for Ip because he tied with a pure boxer, using pure fists, while Ip himself used every available tool in his arsenal to simply tie. Bone won't just be using fists. Bottom line is, Ip Man always has trouble fighting heavy weights. But unlike Twister and Frank, Bone actually can use more than just his fists to fight.

wasnt a handicap match? are you serious? twister is more bigger, stronger & more heavier than ip and making the restricted to hands only makes this a HUGE disadvantage to ip. its just like saying that a small bjj fighter will fight a heavyweight boxer but they are restricted to hands only no grappling no kicks and by your standard that will make a "fair fight" smh

did you really watched ip man 3? frank clearly stated that if ip man survives a 3 minute fight against him then he will not bother ip anymore, they were not fighting all out.

how about bone? did he faced any skilled fighters? are you saying that hammerman is more skilled than twister? whats your evidence?

bone only defeated no name street thugs, but i guess thats your definition of a skilled fighter

Originally posted by Drsoe08
wasnt a handicap match? are you serious? twister is more bigger, stronger & more heavier than ip and making the restricted to hands only makes this a HUGE disadvantage to ip. its just like saying that a small bjj fighter will fight a heavyweight boxer but they are restricted to hands only no grappling no kicks and by your standard that will make a "fair fight" smh

did you really watched ip man 3? frank clearly stated that if ip man survives a 3 minute fight against him then he will not bother ip anymore, they were not fighting all out.

how about bone? did he faced any skilled fighters? are you saying that hammerman is more skilled than twister? whats your evidence?

bone only defeated no name street thugs, but i guess thats your definition of a skilled fighter

I guess the world underground mma champ is considered a regular street thug with no skill eh? And no, Bone did not fight street thugs, he fought street fighters. There's a difference.

It's not a handicap because Twister and Ip were both relegated to fists only. A handicap is when one person is given a clear advantage over the other, like if Ip was allowed to kick whereas Twister was only allowed hands. Being naturally bigger than your opponent is not a handicap. That's a natural advantage.

And you failed to address my 3rd point: which was that Ip was unable to take out Frank even if Ip was utilizing all his moves, from punches to elbows to kicks to grappling, whereas Frank was only using fists. That's actually a pretty bad showing for Ip Man.

Not only is Bone bigger than Frank, he's also faster with a whole lot more technique available to him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I guess the world underground mma champ is considered a regular street thug with no skill eh? And no, Bone did not fight street thugs, he fought street fighters. There's a difference.

It's not a handicap because Twister and Ip were both relegated to fists only. A handicap is when one person is given a clear advantage over the other, like if Ip was allowed to kick whereas Twister was only allowed hands. Being naturally bigger than your opponent is not a handicap. That's a natural advantage.

And you failed to address my 3rd point: which was that Ip was unable to take out Frank even if Ip was utilizing all his moves, from punches to elbows to kicks to grappling, whereas Frank was only using fists. That's actually a pretty bad showing for Ip Man.

Not only is Bone bigger than Frank, he's also faster with a whole lot more technique available to him.

do you mean the featless mma underground champ? the northerner from the first movie can defeat him and most of the street fighters in the movie was also a street thug (e.g hammerman)

if you have all the advantages in a fight isnt that a HANDICAP to the part of your opponent?

with all the advantages of twister he was still defeated even tho ip man was badly hurt (durability feat)

again, the ip man vs frank fight was not about who takes out who, frank stated that if ip man survives for 3 minutes frank will leave ip's family alone.(if they go all out it will be just like the twister fight)

Originally posted by Drsoe08
do you mean the featless mma underground champ? the northerner from the first movie can defeat him and most of the street fighters in the movie was also a street thug (e.g hammerman)

if you have all the advantages in a fight isnt that a HANDICAP to the part of your opponent?

with all the advantages of twister he was still defeated even tho ip man was badly hurt (durability feat)

again, the ip man vs frank fight was not about who takes out who, frank stated that if ip man survives for 3 minutes frank will leave ip's family alone.(if they go all out it will be just like the twister fight)

1. Funny how you keep undermining Pretty Boy Price just because he's featless when pretty much all the opponents of Ip man were equally just as featless. Biased much?

2. Having all the advantages in a FAIR fight is not a handicap, that is simply having advantages. A handicap is when the rules specifically allow advantages to one while banning them from the other. You'll see none of that in the Twister fight since they were enforced the same rules. In fact, like I said, the only one who was truly handicapped was Twister since he was wearing gloves. Also note how Ip was unable to beat Twister in a pure fist match and had to resort to nerve strikes to win. Guess what, Bone is not limited to just punching and if Ip tries his nerve strikes Bone will just end up grappling him.

3. You originally made such a big deal that Frank could only tie with Ip. Then when I mentioned all the advantages IP had and was still unable to finish the fight, you start mentioning how it wasn't a proper fight. Bottom line is that Ip man was unable to finish a heavyweight boxer within 3 minutes, and this despite the fact that Ip used his full arsenal against someone purely boxing. Bone finished all his opponents in under a minute. And not only is he bigger and fitter than Frank, he's also faster and a lot more skilled with way more feats.

There is a reason why fighters fight in their same weight class.
Ip Man would be at a disadvantage fighting someone much heavier with almost equal skill.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is a reason why fighters fight in their same weight class.
Ip Man would be at a disadvantage fighting someone much heavier with almost equal skill.

I might even put Bone's skill higher than Ip Man. Bone displayed more fighting styles than Ip Man's pure wing chun. And though knowing more styles does not automatically mean one is more skilled, the fact that Bone was almost never hit during his fights speaks of great skill. Something which Ip can't claim.

Round 1 : too close to call, it may go either way

Round 2: ip definitely takes this, he showed more feats using weapons than bone

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Funny how you keep undermining Pretty Boy Price just because he's featless when pretty much all the opponents of Ip man were equally just as featless. Biased much?

2. Having all the advantages in a FAIR fight is not a handicap, that is simply having advantages. A handicap is when the rules specifically allow advantages to one while banning them from the other. You'll see none of that in the Twister fight since they were enforced the same rules. In fact, like I said, the only one who was truly handicapped was Twister since he was wearing gloves. Also note how Ip was unable to beat Twister in a pure fist match and had to resort to nerve strikes to win. Guess what, Bone is not limited to just punching and if Ip tries his nerve strikes Bone will just end up grappling him.

3. You originally made such a big deal that Frank could only tie with Ip. Then when I mentioned all the advantages IP had and was still unable to finish the fight, you start mentioning how it wasn't a proper fight. Bottom line is that Ip man was unable to finish a heavyweight boxer within 3 minutes, and this despite the fact that Ip used his full arsenal against someone purely boxing. Bone finished all his opponents in under a minute. And not only is he bigger and fitter than Frank, he's also faster and a lot more skilled with way more feats.

1. i'm not undermining price i'm just stating a fact that he is a featless character. btw whats your evidence that he is a very skilled fighter? any feats of strength, speed, durability or skill?

2. ok fine, but still ip man defeated twister even tho he was badly hurt.

3. you should watch frank vs ip man again, frank demonstrated borderline superhuman strength and striking power the mere fact that ip tanked/deflected/parried those shots indicates that he has great durability.
bone finished all his opponents under a minute because he fought fodders which is not that impressive considering that ip casually do that in his movies

The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

Originally posted by KingD19
The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

finally someone that makes sense

Originally posted by KingD19
The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

If I'm not mistaken, Twister was the British boxing champ, not the world champ. This was also sometime in the 1940's. Are you telling me that the British boxing scene in 1940's, boxing where you have numerous rules and regulations, is a more dangerous fighting arena than the underground street fighting world in today's era? Maybe it is, but you have no way to prove that. So you can't really make the claim that Twister's "champion" title is any more legit than Pretty Boy Price.

As for those martial arts "masters", all you're really doing is basing their skill on their titles. Because they're called "the best" you automatically assume they're skilled. How is that different from Pretty Boy Price being the underground fighting champion? He also needed to defeat all opponents to become champ. We assume his skill based on his title and what is necessary to achieve that title.

I'll have to double check on the Northerner and Tin Chi but for the rest of Ip's opponents my point still stands: They're just as featless as the opponents Bone fought.

Originally posted by KingD19
The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

Price was underground champ. Mixed martial arts >>>>>>wing chun.
Plus Bone is a heavy weight with great reflexes. Bone grabs Ip man it is over.

Originally posted by h1a8
Price was underground champ. Mixed martial arts >>>>>>wing chun.
Plus Bone is a heavy weight with great reflexes. Bone grabs Ip man it is over.

In what movie was mixed martial arts shown to be superior to Wing Chun?

Also it wasn't MMA. It was just underground fighting. Absolutely no one aside from Bone even used anything beyond strikes.

theres was some ground game used; specifically by price and bone. price went for an arm bar and bone locked a leg bar onto price at the end of their fight.

Also the guy that gave bone the most trouble was some guy that took him down in one of the random fights leading up to hammer man

having said that, Ip man has been shown to have skill with grappling, stopping grabs and takedowns form various opponents.

that still wont save him from bone though

PS. if they don't have feats then they don't have showable skill regardless of their title so all those masters aint shit because they are featless. The Northerner, Twister, Frank and the japanese general are the only guys that have any kind of feats outside of fighting ip himself.