Darth Malak vs. Ahsoka Tano (Rebels) (Lightsabers only)

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yes, tell me where.

Yes, very.

We're discussing Vader vs Revan. Ahsoka contending with Vader > Malak ambiguously contending with Revan.

He didn't. He said he didn't know who'd win a fight.

Cool.

Ahsoka contending with Vader is too circumstantial to be a feat.

Yeah, so he retracted his statement.

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On a serious note though, Darth Malak is better than Ahsoka Tano.

Chris Avellone stated that Darth Revan is capable of besting both Darth Traya and the Jedi Exile at the same time in lightsaber combat - and Darth Malak is around Darth Revan's level as a swordsman. Ahsoka Tano has nothing on such an accomplishment. Her showings are highly circumstantial or inconsistent. It is amusing, though, that Bastila Shan is consistently hailed by two separate sources to have lightsaber capabilities around that of Dooku, and yet that's dismissed because "reasons." Frankly, Darth Malak putting down the second most powerful Jedi in the Order with such ease, who is capable of affecting thousands of individuals simultaneously with her telepathy, is beyond anything Canon Darth Vader has shown by any stretch of imagination. An average Dark Jedi has more to their name than an Inquisitor, also, and Bastila Shan handily put one down in a far quicker time than Ahsoka Tano did to the Fifth Brother.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He is.

Did you discuss this with him?

A while back yes.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Support him in what? I debated against him in that Plagueis thread where he backtracked on everything.

His Anakin wank. His downplaying of Vader. His attempt to say the disturbance in the Force Revan caused was the greater then the one Plagueis and Sidious did, etc. There were multiple blunders.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
His Anakin wank. His downplaying of Vader. His attempt to say the disturbance in the Force Revan caused was the greater then the one Plagueis and Sidious did, etc. There were multiple blunders.

I didn't support him in the Revan threads at all. I was against them. Nor did I support the anti-Vader propaganda.

There was no Anakin wank. There was just relaying of factual quotes.

Nova, you dispute Revan's superiority over Vader?

Originally posted by SunRazer
I didn't support him in the Revan threads at all. I was against them. Nor did I support the anti-Vader propaganda.

There was no Anakin wank. There was just relaying of factual quotes.

Lmao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

Unfortunately your failure comes at the cost of Ant spreading his cancer throughout the rest of the forum. GG.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Uh, their entries?

Where's the part where Grievous is only Dual Weapon Mastery II? Also, can you tell me some other game mechanics so that I can have fun wanking them? 😂

Ahsoka contending with Vader is too circumstantial to be a feat.

Yeah, because she was hindered and he was amped. 👆

Yeah, so he retracted his statement.

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He didn't. He said he didn't know who'd win in a fight, which is all-out. Besides, he says he doesn't know who'd win in actual fights all the time since he believes in possibility. However, him saying that Surik is the better duelist still applies and contradicts Avellone's quote. Even his retracted statement contradicts Avellone.

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On a serious note though, Darth Malak is better than Ahsoka Tano.

Chris Avellone stated that Darth Revan is capable of besting both Darth Traya and the Jedi Exile at the same time in lightsaber combat - and Darth Malak is around Darth Revan's level as a swordsman. Ahsoka Tano has nothing on such an accomplishment. Her showings are highly circumstantial or inconsistent. It is amusing, though, that Bastila Shan is consistently hailed by two separate sources to have lightsaber capabilities around that of Dooku, and yet that's dismissed because "reasons." Frankly, Darth Malak putting down the second most powerful Jedi in the Order, who is capable of affecting thousands of individuals simultaneously with her telepathy, is beyond anything Canon Darth Vader has shown by any stretch of imagination. An average Dark Jedi has more to their name than an Inquisitor, also, and Bastila Shan handily put one down in a far quicker time than Ahsoka Tano did to the Fifth Brother.

Avellone just said "Revan", not "Darth Revan". You told me that he was referring to them in their respective games, which is KotOR Revan. And Malak got trounced by Revan.

Bastila's not on the same level as Dooku since Dooku's canonically more skilled than KotOR Revan. And didn't you yourself dismiss Bastila's quotes as being game mechanics? What happened to that?

Ahsoka crushed the Inquisitors on Chandel. The disparity in performance on Malachor V, if you're not dismissing it as PIS, is just proof of how strong the DS nexus is, then. Which works in her favor against Maul and Vader as well.

LMFAO. Darth Revan only has "Dual Weapon Mastery I".

Originally posted by SunRazer
Avellone just said "Revan", not "Darth Revan". You told me that he was referring to them in their respective games, which is KotOR Revan. And Malak got trounced by Revan.

Bastila's not on the same level as Dooku since Dooku's canonically more skilled than KotOR Revan. And didn't you yourself dismiss Bastila's quotes as being game mechanics? What happened to that?

Ahsoka crushed the Inquisitors on Chandel. The disparity in performance on Malachor V, if you're not dismissing it as PIS, is just proof of how strong the DS nexus is, then. Which works in her favor against Maul and Vader as well.

You're not just missing the point there, you're changing the discussion to cloud it from the truth.

She didn't crush the Seventh Sister in lightsaber combat anyway - she exploited her strength advantage, that's it. In regards to their fight on Malachor V, I don't even recall a direct quote stating the nexus enhanced their abilities, so I'd need to see that again. Whatever the case, you're completely speculating over the extent of the nexus.

Where's the part where Grievous is only Dual Weapon Mastery II? Also, can you tell me some other game mechanics so that I can have fun wanking them? laughing out loud

The main sourcebook has Grievous.

Yeah, because she was hindered and he was amped.

He didn't. He said he didn't know who'd win in a fight, which is all-out. Besides, he says he doesn't know who'd win in actual fights all the time since he believes in possibility. However, him saying that Surik is the better duelist still applies and contradicts Avellone's quote. Even his retracted statement contradicts Avellone.

Wrong. He retracted his statement that the Exile is a better duelist, and then refused to comment on the winner.

Originally posted by SunRazer
LMFAO. Darth Revan only has "Dual Weapon Mastery I".

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But he mainly uses a SINGLE blade Nova so it doesn't matter.

Ant: Sh-Shaddup! Baka!

Originally posted by SunRazer
LMFAO. Darth Revan only has "Dual Weapon Mastery I".

Revan and Palpatine's status can be explained by the author not recognizing them as Jar'Kai users, obviously. 😬

I'm fine with Revan > Palpatine though, if we can to be ignorant. 🙄

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
if we can to be ignorant. 🙄

The levels of irony here are too high to even laugh at.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, Avellone was referring to his creations, so Darth Revan.

You're not just missing the point there, you're changing the discussion to cloud it from the truth.

She didn't crush the Seventh Sister in lightsaber combat anyway - she exploited her strength advantage, that's it. In regards to their fight on Malachor V, I don't even recall a direct quote stating the nexus enhanced their abilities, so I'd need to see that again. Whatever the case, you're completely speculating over the extent of the nexus.

The main source-book has Grievous.

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No. It's stated her familiarity with Darth Vader's fighting style allowed her to compete. She also had a speed advantage.

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Wrong. He retracted his statement that the Exile is a better duelist, and then refused to comment on the winner. [/B]

1. Avellone didn't create Darth Revan, lmfao.

2. Changing what? And Yusanis is going to beat the Seventh Sister with greater ease? lol

3. It's confirmed to allow them to do things they can't do off-nexus. Anyways, since you put so much stock in author quotes, Filoni confirms that she isn't stalemating Inquisitors since they're not capable of matching her blow-for-blow.

4. Sourcebooks also purport that Maul is stronger than Sidious.

5. Her speed isn't suddenly nullified here, lol. Where's the quote about familiarity?

6. I told you that even the retracted statement contradicts Avellone's, lol.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Higher than Palpatine, actually, so no shame there. 👆

Revan and Palpatine's status can be explained by the author not recognizing them as Jar'Kai users, obviously. 😬

I'm fine with Revan > Palpatine though, if we can to be ignorant. 🙄

But Avellone's creation of Darth Revan was as a Jar'kai user 🙂

Seriously, though, if they weren't recognized as Jar'Kai users, then why did Revan actually get the feat for dual-wielding? It was obviously recognized, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
But Avellone's creation of Darth Revan was as a Jar'kai user 🙂

Seriously, though, if they weren't recognized as Jar'Kai users, then why did Revan actually get the feat for dual-wielding? It was obviously recognized, lol.

Couldn't be that the source is unreliable in some way. No sir, not possible.

1.) He established his character and ability.

2.) The fact two sources put Bastila Shan as a master swordsman.

3.) So, there's no direct proof that their abilities were enhanced? Huh, nice.

4.) It could be referring to his non-augmented strength. 👆

5.) Vader's infamously slow, so it's relevant. And it's stated in an interview.

6.) No, it doesn't. He retracted his original statement.

It also states that Revan is "Martial Arts I", despite Ant promoting Revan as the best martial artist ever, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
But Avellone's creation of Darth Revan was as a Jar'kai user 🙂

Seriously, though, if they weren't recognized as Jar'Kai users, then why did Revan actually get the feat for dual-wielding? It was obviously recognized, lol.

You'd need proof from the author to confirm that. Otherwise, it's speculation.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It also states that Revan is "Martial Arts I", despite Ant promoting Revan as the best martial artist ever, lol.