IT IS IN THE SCRIPT. What part of this do you fail to comprehend?
You're making a fallacious appeal to circumstances when we know that they 'left the Sith camp in ruins' so fast that a Mandalorian scout had to run to catch up to them, even thought he was barely thirty meters behind them. A Sith camp with 'hordes' of Sith enemies, and we know that what they achieved in the tomb was enough for that same scout, a veteran of the Mando Wars, to be incapable of describing what they'd managed to achieve.
We also have the context that the Sith Lords(not acolytes LMFAO) were amped to a point where they could barely handle their powers, and that the party was massively hindered, by the pervading energies of Freedon Nadd's tomb.
It's far more impressive than your hilarious lowballing makes it out to be.
The game script. So is the non canonical Darkside ending. What part of this do you fail to comprehend?
"we know that they 'left the Sith camp in ruins' so fast that a Mandalorian scout had to run to catch up to them, even thought he was barely thirty meters behind them."
Is this another in game timing calc like Nova uses?
"a veteran of the Mando Wars, to be incapable of describing what they'd managed to achieve."
Citation needed.
"We also have the context that the Sith Lords(not acolytes LMFAO)"
Dude. They're Darkside acolytes of the Triumvirate and all infinitely inferior. It doesn't matter what you call them, the fact of the matter is they're fodder.
" were amped to a point where they could barely handle their powers, and that the party was massively hindered, by the pervading energies of Freedon Nadd's tomb."
Citation needed.
"It's far more impressive than your hilarious lowballing makes it out to be."
Perhaps it is. But perhaps its equally less impressive then your hilarious fan wanking is making it out to be.
Originally posted by Dread Dark
By there plain performance against Ezra and Kanan. (Who both arent all that great)THey also got stomped hard by Ahsoka.
And were beaten by an out of prime Maul.
By what standard are they "not all that great?" :/
An excellent feat for Ahsoka to be sure.
Maul was stated to be more powerful then ever and his technical skill shouldn't have degraded all that much if at all given his level of combative effectiveness in SoD after around a decade of not using a lightsaber and the fact that he at least had the opportunity to practice given he made a new lightsaber on the run and was in hiding for some time enough to establish several bases throughout the Galaxy going by recent trailers.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
By what standard are they "not all that great?" :/An excellent feat for Ahsoka to be sure.
Maul was stated to be more powerful then ever and his technical skill shouldn't have degraded all that much if at all given his level of combative effectiveness in SoD after around a decade of not using a lightsaber and the fact that he at least had the opportunity to practice given he made a new lightsaber on the run and was in hiding for some time enough to establish several bases throughout the Galaxy going by recent trailers.
Well by standards I would consider the fact that Kanan, is a Jedi Padawan droppout. Who didnt pick up his dusty saber until Ezra shows himself.
Ezra had potential at the time, but doesnt light a candle to Kanan. Which is scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
I say this reasoning because if the Inquistors are having trouble killing both of them. Who are Jedi padawan level, I heavily doubt they can best the Exiles team at all.
I agree with that statement.
I can take that statement as such, Maul hasnt seen much action since the Ahsoka novel. But you have to admit his lack of action makes him slighty less than SoD.
Originally posted by Dread Dark
Well by standards I would consider the fact that Kanan, is a Jedi Padawan droppout. Who didnt pick up his dusty saber until Ezra shows himself.Ezra had potential at the time, but doesnt light a candle to Kanan. Which is scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
I say this reasoning because if the Inquistors are having trouble killing both of them. Who are Jedi padawan level, I heavily doubt they can best the Exiles team at all.
I agree with that statement.
I can take that statement as such, Maul hasnt seen much action since the Ahsoka novel. But you have to admit his lack of action makes him slighty less than SoD.
Kanan was a padawan on the front lines of the Clone Wars where, as mentioned in the Kanan comics, many did not survive during their time there. As with Maul we see that while not using your lightsaber for an extended period can be detrimental it does not effect Force users to the same extent it would a non Force user.
I would agree that Ezra isn't Kanan level but he's impressive in his own right having cleared a collapsed cave in in the comics and managing to provided a challenge for Kanan in spars.
As a team they seemed to have the advantage over them with Kanan and Ezra being forced to give ground when facing them.
I don't know tbh. His physical degradation paired with his lack of sparring with a real opponent pitted against his power growth has me iffy either way. For now I have him slightly below but that might change in the near future.
I can attest to that point. The Clone Wars was a death trap and surviving as a padawan, as a SW combatant is impressive. It just doesnt help that the FB and SS were trained to kill those kind of fighters.
Putting them on the defensive proves the statement above, because of the algorithm of there training. It doesnt help that Palps held them back from being greater.
In a nutshell they are scrub killer tier, that has a problem killing scrubs that are slightly better than most scrubs. 😛
Let us hope Maul can compinsate against Kenobi.
Why not? I mean obviously the Inquisitors training would be restricted so they wouldn't become a threat but the fact that they were sent out in confidence to end these types of threats means they were probably meant to be above this level combatively. They likely COULD take on higher level Jedi but the risk of losing a member of the Inquisitorius would be too high for Palpatine which is why he'd send Vader instead.
Are you referring to the Inquisitors putting Kanan and Ezra on the defensive? If so, while Ezra's impressive given his level of training he's still not going to bridge the gap between combatants of the Inquisitors level even with Kanan at his side.
They are scrub tier killers, yes. But likely higher by a fair degree as overall combatants given their power and ability. I wouldn't call Kanan a scrub and without Kanan Ezra wouldn't last long against either as demonstrated in his first encounter with them in S2.
Yep. I'm actually excited to see Kenobi in the new season.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The game script. So is the non canonical Darkside ending. What part of this do you fail to comprehend?"we know that they 'left the Sith camp in ruins' so fast that a Mandalorian scout had to run to catch up to them, even thought he was barely thirty meters behind them."
Is this another in game timing calc like Nova uses?
"a veteran of the Mando Wars, to be incapable of describing what they'd managed to achieve."
Citation needed.
"We also have the context that the Sith Lords(not acolytes LMFAO)"
Dude. They're Darkside acolytes of the Triumvirate and all infinitely inferior. It doesn't matter what you call them, the fact of the matter is they're fodder.
" were amped to a point where they could barely handle their powers, and that the party was massively hindered, by the pervading energies of Freedon Nadd's tomb."
Citation needed.
"It's far more impressive than your hilarious lowballing makes it out to be."
Perhaps it is. But perhaps its equally less impressive then your hilarious fan wanking is making it out to be.
Source that the game script and files are non-canonical? No, I don't mean your opinion. The script is clearly canon in terms of Legends.
No, the scout that shows them the way to the Tomb of Freedon Nadd says so himself.
"I had to run to catch up with you. You made impressive progress, the Sith camp lies in ruins."
- Mandalorian Scout, Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"What you have done... is beyond words. You've fought like a Mandalorian."
- Mandalorian Scout, Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
They're not acolytes, they're Sith Lords with enough mastery of the dark side to perform a ritual to absorb some of the power of Freedon Nadd's Tomb. Stop lowballing them, they're each well above the elite Sith Assassins and even the Bladeborn, who have at least ten kills against Force Users in combat each.
Apparently I have to repeat myself.
Not every dark side site is equal, and each is rated as a minor site, major site, or extreme site. Minor sites include the tomb of an ancient Sith Lord or the lair of a particularly powerful Sith creature. Major sites include the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban or the Cave on Dagobah. Extreme sites are very rare and are reserved for the most horrible of places, such as the demon moon of Dxun or battlefields where thousands of innocents were slaughtered or the blood of untold Sith and Jedi mingled, such as Ruusan.
- The Jedi Academy Training Manual
Those connected to the light side of the Force find their powers diminished in these places, while those who wield the dark side are amazed at the strength that they gain, even as that energy overwhelms them.
-_The Jedi Training Academy Manual
"The soldier is correct. The dark side is strong here... and it will grant its strength to the Sith."
-_Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"I can sense the power from this place. It's like the light abandoned it long ago. I fear the Sith shall be very strong here."
-_Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
For clarity, the moon of Dxun is an 'extreme' dark side site, one even more powerful than the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban. The Tomb of Freedon Nadd is the epicenter of said dark side nexus.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Source that the game script and files are non-canonical? No, I don't mean your opinion. The script is clearly canon in terms of Legends.No, the scout that shows them the way to the Tomb of Freedon Nadd says so himself.
They're not acolytes, they're Sith Lords with enough mastery of the dark side to perform a ritual to absorb some of the power of Freedon Nadd's Tomb. Stop lowballing them, they're each well above the elite Sith Assassins and even the Bladeborn, who have at least ten kills against Force Users in combat each.
Apparently I have to repeat myself.
For clarity, the moon of Dxun is an 'extreme' dark side site, one even more powerful than the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban. The Tomb of Freedon Nadd is the epicenter of said dark side nexus.
No, I'm saying that the non canon version of events is listed in the script yet it clearly did not occur within continuity.
Where does it say the scout was only 30 meters behind them?
He complimented them on their fighting skills which makes sense given the feat itself.
Being capable of siphoning power from a tomb does nothing to tell us their level of power aside from being above the average fodder level schmuck.
Ruusan amped Kyle just as much as it did Jerec did it not? If that's the case it would make your source invalid.
Except for the fact that Leland Chee has claimed that different points of view are all valid, thus given the Script is Canon, it is just one more version of how events could have gone down.
The thirty meters is a rough estimate from the cave to the Tomb's entrance, which doesn't really matter, the fact is that they left a Sith camp containing 'hordes' of Sith in 'ruins' so quickly that the Scout in question had to run to catch up to them at the tomb's entrance.
Are you seriously suggesting random fodder can perform complex Sith rituals on dark side energy? They're Sith Lords under Darth Nihilus. They are greater than all the Sith below them due to sheer prowess, in an order stated to have wiped out tens of thousands of Jedi across the galaxy.
Wrong, Jerec was amplifying himself with Ruusan's Valley of the Jedi, to become the most powerful Sith ever. Kyle Katarn aided by the spirits of the Jedi severed Jerec's connection to the Force.
Points of view? Sounds like you're taking one of his statements out of context. Did he say that the non canon version of events actually exemplifies the capabilities of the characters depicted therein?
"which doesn't really matter" Yeah, I'm sure the exact time and distance it took for the Scout to meet back up with them isn't something you want to delve too deeply into. 🙂 Unfortunately for you it's something that is of particular interest to me. If you would kindly provide the video of this particular mission I'll look into the details myself.
Complex ritual? How is the draining equivalent of siphoning off gas from a tank a "complex ritual?"
Regardless Johun Othone oversaw the construction of a Jedi Memorial on Ruusan yet despite other Darkside sites of lesser note causing Obi Wan Kenobi to grow weak to the point he was unable to walk Johun Othone a Jedi who was almost defeated by a non Force user was never described to have come under any ill effects from an "EXTREME SITE." Lmao.
There's been some confusion of late regarding the 'Infinities' symbol, and Star Wars Expanded Universe continuity in general. Terms like "canon" and "continuity" tend to get thrown around casually, which doesn't help at all.When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies._
The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable._
The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'
- Steve Sansweet
I apologise for mixing up Leland Chee and Steve Sansweet, but therein lies the point, even if there are some contradictions it doesn't render the former non-canon. Just like variations in the script aren't rendered non-canon because of the game. It is merely another 'nugget of truth'.
If you want to go and look for a video, be my guest.
They are stated to be partaking in a ritual to channel the power of Freedon Nadd's energies. A ritual that unleashes so much power that it kills a fourth Sith Lord.
Wow, it is almost as if you've figured out that a Force Nexus can change over the span of a thousand years. In other words, the Thought Bomb contained the spirits of thousands of Sith and Jedi. Spirits which weren't released until Johun was long dead.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I apologise for mixing up Leland Chee and Steve Sansweet, but therein lies the point, even if there are some contradictions it doesn't render the former non-canon. Just like variations in the script aren't rendered non-canon because of the game. It is merely another 'nugget of truth'.If you want to go and look for a video, be my guest.
They are stated to be partaking in a ritual to channel the power of Freedon Nadd's energies. A ritual that unleashes so much power that it kills a fourth Sith Lord.
Wow, it is almost as if you've figured out that a Force Nexus can change over the span of a thousand years. In other words, the Thought Bomb contained the spirits of thousands of Sith and Jedi. Spirits which weren't released until Johun was long dead.
"but therein lies the point, even if there are some contradictions it doesn't render the former non-canon."
That's exactly what is does! If there are contradictions then only one depiction of events can be in fact canon and apart of the continuity as a whole.
It's not on me to provide evidence for your claims.
So essentially they're acting as batteries siphoning energy from a power source and one of them got overloaded. Lel. I don't see how failing so badly in a simple draining ritual that one of their members is killed makes these scrubs top tier Sith Lords.
The spirits were never released that was the entire point of Kyle Katarn going to the Valley of the Jedi. To free the trapped spirits. It was even a prophesized event.
With that, I bid you a goodnight.
Did you even bother to read the statement? Because you just ignored the entire thing. Admit that you don't have an argument or actually make one that doesn't ramble on about 'hundreds of blaster bolts'.
It. Is. A. Ritual. Stop making claims about something you've never even seen before. Your pathetic lowballing isn't winning you this debate.
Thanks for conceding your point regarding Johun Othone. 👆 😂
You've conceded on almost everything in this thread and are clearly only arguing for the sake of continuing the argument.
The Lost Jedi stomp, just as I've proven throughout this thread.