Originally posted by AncientPower
The kind of insult you'd expect from someone with absolute no ability to actually win a debate. And only a moron would agree with you.How's your irrelevancy going?
You've got zero basis for any claim Hord can win when he is featless. So yeah keep calling other morons when you have **** all evidence for your claims as always 😂
Originally posted by carthageHe isn't featless.
You've got zero basis for any claim Hord can win when he is featless. So yeah keep calling other morons when you have **** all evidence for your claims as always 😂
He beat Khem Val, pulled an Endar Spire out of the sky, and broke the Siege of Yn single-handedly.
Originally posted by UrsumelesFirst of all, the Holocron that Bane checked out was damaged, which is why it stopped working when Bane was done with it.
She doesn't knows sh!t about the ancients, lol. Or would you say Kas'im > Revan as duelist?
Second of all, not all Holocrons are based around combat, in Revan's case, it was more about Philosophy and such. Revan was the inspiration for the rule of two.
Thirdly, Kreia wouldn't have said something just to say it, shes clearly studied HUNDREDS of holocrons. She knows quite a bit about the ancients. You also can't compare two different people viewing two different holocrons as the same, thats just dumb.
Fourth, whatever the hell his name is supported Kreia's statements regarding the ancients, and I don't wanna hear a single idiotic comment saying "Well, they were just setting everything up for the next game, so it doesn't count." Thats stupid and illogical.
If you can dispute something, cool. But don't just blindly deny stuff just because you wanna be a skeptic. Being a skeptic is fine, when you have something to justify you being skeptical. In this situation, thats not the case.
Put up or shut up.
Originally posted by UrsumelesTulak Hord had a specific holocron based around lightsaber combat.
You mean Avellone?
And no, )they were just setting up stuff for the new game" isn't dumb-it's a fact. Avellone thought of the Ancients as galaxy shapers, lmfao.
Also, what brings her studiying holocrons? It is unlikely that Tulak was in many of them, and she also didn't saw him fighting, lol.
It being a fact doesn't make Avellone's word any less meaningful, whether it was meant for the next game is totally and completely irrelevant to the point it shouldn't even be brought up in a debate.
All of the Holocrons in Atris' red room? Kreia studied them.
Avellone and Kreia's word is worth more then any of ours.
If you can't prove that Kreia's words are wrong, we are done here.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Tulak Hord had a specific holocron based around lightsaber combat.It being a fact doesn't make Avellone's word any less meaningful, whether it was meant for the next game is totally and completely irrelevant to the point it shouldn't even be brought up in a debate.
All of the Holocrons in Atris' red room? Kreia studied them.
Avellone and Kreia's word is worth more then any of ours.
If you can't prove that Kreia's words are wrong, we are done here.
I don't take his word as fact, as his other opinions on the ancients are clearly wrong(Galaxy-shaping, as example). I also don't take Tom Veitch's opinion that Sidious can't generate Force Storms whenever he want seriously. Also, the quote seems to be hyperbole. I mean, Mace basically said that only Kenobi could defeat GG. I agree that Hord is > Mid-Game Exile and Traya as duelist, but not so vastly, lmfao.
I know. In how many of them were informations about Hord?
LMFAO, you must prove that her word is right.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Cool. Traya still can't rate him based on that.I don't take his word as fact, as his other opinions on the ancients are clearly wrong(Galaxy-shaping, as example). I also don't take Tom Veitch's opinion that Sidious can't generate Force Storms whenever he want seriously. Also, the quote seems to be hyperbole. I mean, Mace basically said that only Kenobi could defeat GG. I agree that Hord is > Mid-Game Exile and Traya as duelist, but not so vastly, lmfao.
I know. In how many of them were informations about Hord?
LMFAO, you must prove that her word is right.
Why can't she?
Thats not how an argument works, I provided evidence, stop disputing them without evidence of your own, or stop trying to argue a pointless point.
I doubt he meamt galaxy-shaping in a literal sense.
The sith were shaping the Galaxy, they owned the damn galaxy back then.
Of course you don't think its vastly.
You think that Dooku and Traya are in the same league.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Why can't she?Thats not how an argument works, I provided evidence, stop disputing them without evidence of your own, or stop trying to argue a pointless point.
I doubt he meamt galaxy-shaping in a literal sense.
The sith were shaping the Galaxy, they owned the damn galaxy back then.
Of course you don't think its vastly.
You think that Dooku and Traya are in the same league.
Valid argument. But Kreia and Avellone also seem to think Ancients >>>>>> Nihilus, so I don't take their word as fact value, like I said.
Because we have no concrete evidence for it being vastly.
As Force-Users? Yes, I do. But so do others, like SunRazer. I hope you don't think that you are comparable to him as debater.
Originally posted by UrsumelesIt honestly depends on what me and Nova are debating about.
It is, and I said why I don't take her word seriously.Valid argument. But Kreia and Avellone also seem to think Ancients >>>>>> Nihilus, so I don't take their word as fact value, like I said.
Because we have no concrete evidence for it being vastly.
As Force-Users? Yes, I do. But so do others, like SunRazer. I hope you don't think that you are comparable to him as debater.
He avoided an argument with me when I was talking about Scourge being better then Meetra on Dromund Kaas. (Which I'm happy to continue, Bud ^^.)
We do though... Even if you ignore his feats, and Kreia/Avellone's word, he is still stated be a legendary duelist.
Meetra doesn't have that many accolades revolving around dueling.
I mean, sure, she fought through the Sith Academy, but we don't know how she did that, so we can't just assume that she killed them all with her saber.
@SunRazer ...The Ancient Sith did pretty much own the Galaxy unopposed, for the most part.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
It honestly depends on what me and Nova are debating about.He avoided an argument with me when I was talking about Scourge being better then Meetra on Dromund Kaas. (Which I'm happy to continue, Bud ^^.)
We do though... Even if you ignore his feats, and Kreia/Avellone's word, he is still stated be a legendary duelist.
Meetra doesn't have that many accolades revolving around dueling.
I mean, sure, she fought through the Sith Academy, but we don't know how she did that, so we can't just assume that she killed them all with her saber.
Also, KoTOR II Exile > TOR Scourge > DK Novel Meetra > DK Novel Scourge 🙂
...I don't ignore his feat. He busted an army. The Exile, and also Kyle, did the same.
Also, Vrook and Saesee are legendary duelists, lmfao. But as I said, he is prolly > Mid-Game Exile as duelist,but that isn't enough to beat the NJO trio.
I rate the Exile not highly because she bested an army, but because she overcame her power-disadvantadge against Traya through superior Skill, on an immense DS Nexus and while prolly exhausted. Traya practically blitzed Atton, who has beaten Sion.
"She landed right between her two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive.
Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even think about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust forced him off balance and he staggered backward." - Revan.
With Nyriss's attention divided Scourge could barely parry the first wave of her assault before being forced to stagger back.
"Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra’s defenses. The Jedi was clearly overmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down to one knee." - Revan.
With Nyriss's FULL ATTENTION on Meetra she is able to hold her position, albeit by sacrificing leverage.