Count Dooku vs Darth Malgus and Satele Shan

Started by Deronn_solo8 pages

I seperate [enraged] Malgus, from as he normally was in Return. That explains the wacky showing at least.

And Kao would also have been exhausted, a non showing all in all.

But what's this about Malgus being the most powerful Sith, and what makes these elite TOR fodder better than Lost Tribesman?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Too bad I don't concern myself with the opinions of shitty debaters, who's rep has always been shitty, and likely always will be.

Come on, you can do better than that. It's something I would expect from Syn, not a top 10 shitposter.

I like you Zoltan and it's the holidays - I wanna be nicer. 🙂

@Beni:
Proof he was exhausted? Not that it matters, given Zallow is Kao's superior, and Malgus bested him sans any sort or circumetances.

1. I meant Sidious is the most powerful Sith, and acknowledge Malgus unmatched battle field warrior, while listing him as one of his most powerful predecessors.
2, Because those Sith were noted as one of the best in a of Empire thousands, and the Lost Tribe are not really noted as being anythint more than your average Sith?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I like you Zoltan and it's the holidays - I wanna be nicer. 🙂

So you attacked my most sensitive point? Don't you know that my debating ego is everything to me? My whole life revolves around SW debating 🙁

I will respond when I can use something bar my mobile phone but...

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I like you a lot Urs

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I like you Zoltan and it's the holidays - I wanna be nicer. 🙂

@Beni:
Proof he was exhausted? Not that it matters, given Zallow is Kao's superior, and Malgus bested him sans any sort or circumetances.

1. I meant Sidious is the most powerful Sith, and acknowledge Malgus unmatched battle field warrior, while listing him as one of his most powerful predecessors.
2, Because those Sith were noted as one of the best in a of Empire thousands, and the Lost Tribe are not really noted as being anythint more than your average Sith?

He went all-out against Malgus and Vindican for almost a minute, its only logical that his stamina would have taken a serious hit, and his death reflects that.

1. OK, fair enough.
2. Yeah you said that, but given the Sith among these pools of thousands and getting downed by Republic troopers, why should we care? In the grand scheme of things average would be being generous, they are shit.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I seperate [enraged] Malgus, from as he normally was in Return. That explains the wacky showing at least.
It's not all that different from the Anakin > Dooku > Kenobi situation, except it's Malgus > Kao > Vindican

I find it interesting the narrative that Darach was tired or Malgus was enraged, despite the fact we have no proof but when Malgus force pushed the strike team it's automatically assumed he caught them off guard beucase, you know, we have no proof the team had their defenses up. 😕

There's a discrepancy with the animations regarding the Force lightning - their weapons are holstered while they are hit - and the Force push is just that, a Force push. Savage has Force pushed everyone worth their salt in TCW, even choked Dooku and Ventress at the same time, but it's not conclusive of much other than he's pretty powerful.

There is also the discrepancy regarding Malgus' inability to crush Darach prior despite having Vindican for back up.

It's called employing logic in both cases, yeah.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There is also the discrepancy regarding Malgus' inability to crush Darach prior despite having Vindican for back up.

It's called employing logic in both cases, yeah.

Sometimes you need a little tap on the nuts to get the ball rolling.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Team sweeps.
Originally posted by ILS
There's a discrepancy with the animations regarding the Force lightning - their weapons are holstered while they are hit - and the Force push is just that, a Force push. Savage has Force pushed everyone worth their salt in TCW, even choked Dooku and Ventress at the same time, but it's not conclusive of much other than he's pretty powerful.

I'm not discussing the validity of the feat since I agree it's irrelevant, just the fact there's no proof Darach was either tired or Malgus enraged and some people that applied this same logic before are now drowning in speculation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There is also the discrepancy regarding Malgus' inability to crush Darach prior despite having Vindican for back up.

It's called employing logic in both cases, yeah.

This can be explained in a myriad of ways. I could even go and state Malgus was jobbing the 2 vs 1 or that Vindican actually hindered him. It has as much substance as your opinion. lmao

You didn't prove anything with your speculations and conjectures, dude. Don't bring logic to the mix when you can't prove your thesis.

Who cares? Lol. Taking that approach only renders the feat unusable.

Honestly, Malgus not becoming noticeably better while enraged, hurts his case, rather than help it.

lmao.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who cares? Lol. Taking that approach only renders the feat unusable.

lolwhat? The correct description of the feat is that Malgus defeated Darach after the Jedi killed Vindican and fended off Malgus before. It's perfectly usable.

If Darach was tired, if Malgus was enraged, if Malgus was jobbing, if Vindican hindered Malgus, if Malgus had cancer, if Malgus likes to drive over the speed limit, all them of are unproven speculations (pleonasm intended).

Uh-huh, and unless you can prove that Malgus was jobbing before hand, that Darach wasn't exhausted and Malgus wasn't enraged then it's unusable evidence as an accurate reflection of his base talents. And you've just admitted that's the case, so gg darling.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Uh-huh, and unless you can prove that Malgus was jobbing before hand, that Darach wasn't exhausted and Malgus wasn't enraged then it's unusable evidence as an accurate reflection of his base talents. And you've just admitted that's the case, so gg darling.

There's no such thing as negative proof. The one who claims Darach was tired or that Malgus was enraged is the one who needs to prove his thesis. It's elementary logic, Beni. 😮

When you dismiss the feat due to possible mitigating factors, without proving them, you incur another logical fallacy. Beni, you disappoint me. 😮

I used the Malgus jobbing as an allusion to your own, flawed logic but with the intention of helping Malgus' case - it can't be proved.

Occam's razor. What is more plausible, Malgus jobbing for no apparent reason, a Master and Apprentice having bad synergy, or Malgus getting enraged by the death/failure of his master, and Darach getting tired from fighting 1vs2?

I think that latter. And apparently others do too.