Bane Vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman takes out 12 thugs in 21 seconds. Nolan, in an interview said he used cut scenes in Batman's first appearance to show how blindingly quick Batman is. I posted the video. He has to be far faster than the average human. Any professional fighter is far faster than the average human.

Bane showed his speed in comparison when he was able to block and dodge Batman's attacks.

Considering that thugs Batman fights have been known to randomly drop without even getting hit, I'd say that's a very weak argument to use and has no bearing to show how fast Batman is against a decent fighter. I mean, he got messed up by the Joker.

Also, remind me again which movie it was where he took out these 12 thugs? Is this in TDKR?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Considering that thugs Batman fights have been known to randomly drop without even getting hit, I'd say that's a very weak argument to use and has no bearing to show how fast Batman is against a decent fighter. I mean, he got messed up by the Joker.

Also, remind me again which movie it was where he took out these 12 thugs? Is this in TDKR?

BTW, did you notice how h1 is talking about visual speed, when earlier he said that we should ignore visual speed and instead use implied speed?

It's like h1 changes his standard of evidence based on what he thinks will help his side at any given time.

How is this thread still going? Bane gets absolutely floored in a single hit.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Considering that thugs Batman fights have been known to randomly drop without even getting hit, I'd say that's a very weak argument to use and has no bearing to show how fast Batman is against a decent fighter. I mean, he got messed up by the Joker.

Also, remind me again which movie it was where he took out these 12 thugs? Is this in TDKR?

Suspension of disbelief and writer's intent suggest they were normal thugs. Them dropping without getting hit (I never saw that) implies bad acting, nothing else.

Prove that Joker made him feel at least slight pain. Because the movie doesn't show Batman being affected at all by the Joker. Beating on something durable (like steel) doesn't mean you are actually damaging it.

In Batman Begins. The very first appearance as Batman.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
How is this thread still going? Bane gets absolutely floored in a single hit.

WS didn't ko Tony with a single hit.
Bane has no sold Batman's strongest hits. Batman has one shot koed many humans. WS is not doing anything to Bane in one hit, especially with his human limbs.

Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, did you notice how h1 is talking about visual speed, when earlier he said that we should ignore visual speed and instead use implied speed?

It's like h1 changes his standard of evidence based on what he thinks will help his side at any given time.

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman is faster than his visual speed. So he koed them in 21 seconds or less.

Either we usual visual speed or implied speed, choose one.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Either we usual visual speed or implied speed, choose one.

Originally posted by h1a8
implied. Thus Batman was faster than shown.

Implied speed means that WS is much faster than Bane.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Implied speed means that WS is much faster than Bane.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. WS is only a little faster.

Based on implied speed WS >> Bane.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Based on implied speed WS >> Bane.

Originally posted by h1a8
False, WS is not faster than a human. He's slightly stronger and more durable but not faster.

Explain how you reached that conclusion based solely on implied speed?

Originally posted by h1a8
Suspension of disbelief and writer's intent suggest they were normal thugs. Them dropping without getting hit (I never saw that) implies bad acting, nothing else.

Prove that Joker made him feel at least slight pain. Because the movie doesn't show Batman being affected at all by the Joker. Beating on something durable (like steel) doesn't mean you are actually damaging it.

In Batman Begins. The very first appearance as Batman.

Ah Batman Begins. When Batman was in his prime, fit, and just out of ninja training. Funny how you'd use a feat from that movie to legitimize Bane's fighting skills when the Batman that fought Bane was old, injured and had been retired for years. You see why this is a problem yes?

Whether Joker hurt Batman or not isn't the question here, it's whether he landed hits or not. Because for all your "Batman is superfast" comments you see that Joker had no problems landing multiple hits on Batman. Plus I'm pretty sure when you're rolling around on the ground and unable to easily push off your enemy's strikes then those strikes are hurting you.

And lastly, when your opponents are so incompetent that they drop without reason then they must be really crappy opponents and beating them would need very very little skill.

i hope the superbowl is entertaining as these threads with h1 are

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i hope the superbowl is entertaining as these threads with h1 are

Yeah well, they're closing the message boards on IMDB. I need something to keep me preoccupied. Debating with H1 is like playing ping-pong with a wall. I do it to pass the time, because I know that he'll always be there to take your hits.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Explain how you reached that conclusion based solely on implied speed?

Originally posted by h1a8
His implied speed is professional fighter speed. His shown speed is actors speed.

How did you reach that conclusion?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah well, they're closing the message boards on IMDB. I need something to keep me preoccupied. Debating with H1 is like playing ping-pong with a wall. I do it to pass the time, because I know that he'll always be there to take your hits.

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Originally posted by h1a8
His implied speed is professional fighter speed. His shown speed is actors speed.

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Originally posted by h1a8
WS didn't ko Tony with a single hit.
Bane has no sold Batman's strongest hits. Batman has one shot koed many humans. WS is not doing anything to Bane in one hit, especially with his human limbs.