Bane Vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Winter Soldiers arm overpowered a guy who deadlifted 10+tons of metal. Wouldn't that mean Starks "implied" durability is better than Banes?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How did you reach that conclusion?

How he fought against professional fighters.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ah Batman Begins. When Batman was in his prime, fit, and just out of ninja training. Funny how you'd use a feat from that movie to legitimize Bane's fighting skills when the Batman that fought Bane was old, injured and had been retired for years. You see why this is a problem yes?

Whether Joker hurt Batman or not isn't the question here, it's whether he landed hits or not. Because for all your "Batman is superfast" comments you see that Joker had no problems landing multiple hits on Batman. Plus I'm pretty sure when you're rolling around on the ground and unable to easily push off your enemy's strikes then those strikes are hurting you.

And lastly, when your opponents are so incompetent that they drop without reason then they must be really crappy opponents and beating them would need very very little skill.

Batman didn't show any sign of being significantly decreased. When he was very injured he still managed the bust up brick with a kick.

Your last argument is not even worth discussing as i covered it.

Originally posted by h1a8
How he fought against professional fighters.

That is using visual speed, you said that you only wanted to use implied speed.

So which is it, are we using visual or implied speed?

Originally posted by h1a8
WS didn't hit Tony with the metal arm.

How he fought against professional fighters.

Batman wasn't trying to prevent Joker from landing hits. He was occupied with the dogs. You are using weak and irrelevant arguments.

Batman didn't show any sign of being significantly decreased. When he was very injured he still managed the bust up brick with a kick.

Your last argument is not even worth discussing as i covered it.

Batman wasn't trying to prevent Joker from landing hits because he couldn't. You'd think that someone capable of taking out 21 thugs in 20 seconds would be fast and skilled enough to take care of 2 dogs and a psycho, because I'm pretty sure 21 thugs could easily take out 2 dogs and a random guy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman wasn't trying to prevent Joker from landing hits because he couldn't. You'd think that someone capable of taking out 21 thugs in 20 seconds would be fast and skilled enough to take care of 2 dogs and a psycho, because I'm pretty sure 21 thugs could easily take out 2 dogs and a random guy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is using visual speed, you said that you only wanted to use implied speed.

So which is it, are we using visual or implied speed?

No it's not, otherwise I would say the professional fighters were slow as hell. It's comparative speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you think that Batman can't stop the Joker from hitting him in a straight fight?

Nope. He'll win but based on what he's shown, he'll still have trouble Unless you can prove otherwise..

Originally posted by h1a8
No it's not, otherwise I would say the professional fighters were slow as hell. It's comparative speed.

You're basing WS' speed on how he was shown in comparison to the people he fought, that is visual speed.

If you want to use visual just let us know, just be aware that; that means all your arguments involving implied speed will be rendered worthless.

Originally posted by h1a8
WS didn't hit Tony with the metal arm.

WS regular arm could floor Bane with a single hit too

Originally posted by Arachnid1
So why bring up the feat like it's relevant? WS metal arm could still floor the hell out of Bane in a single hit.

Because, according to H1, Winter Soldier won't manage to hit him with his metal arm, because Bane will decide that he won't.

Also, Batman broke bricks on a wall with a kick after putting on a special, high-tech mechanical brace provided for him. I don't recall him ever doing that without using that brace. Feel free to correct me if he has feats of doing that without the brace.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nope. He'll win but based on what he's shown, he'll still have trouble Unless you can prove otherwise..

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're basing WS' speed on how he was shown in comparison to the people he fought, that is visual speed.

If you want to use visual just let us know, just be aware that; that means all your arguments involving implied speed will be rendered worthless.

Originally posted by Inhuman
WS regular arm could floor Bane with a single hit too

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, Batman broke bricks on a wall with a kick after putting on a special, high-tech mechanical brace provided for him. I don't recall him ever doing that without using that brace. Feel free to correct me if he has feats of doing that without the brace.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Because, according to H1, Winter Soldier won't manage to hit him with his metal arm, because Bane will decide that he won't.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
So why bring up the feat like it's relevant? WS metal arm could still floor the hell out of Bane in a single hit.

You shouldn't but into others arguments without knowing what they are arguing about.

The discussion was about WS human arm, not his metal one in the Tony scene.

Originally posted by h1a8
The brace was there secure his injured leg. In the documentary, I believe Nolan documented on the scene and no where said the brace supplied him with extra power.

Then provide the proof of these comments by Nolan. Because I am certainly not taking your word for it, given how suspect your memory of these things has proven to be.

Originally posted by h1a8
You shouldn't but into others arguments without knowing what they are arguing about.

The discussion was about WS human arm, not his metal one in the Tony scene.

Originally posted by h1a8
Visual speed is the actual speed the actors are moving at. WS has no implied speed without comparing his actions to known things. If you disagree then prove his implied speed without it.

IOW, you want to use visual speed. In that case WS is faster than Bane. if you disagree we can always BZ it.

Originally posted by h1a8
BS. He will affect Bane with it but it would take a few to put him down.

No it won't.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's possible that WS could hit Bane. But Bane will make it very hard for him to do.

WS is faster and more skilled, he'll easily hit Bane

Originally posted by h1a8
In Batman Begins. The very first appearance as Batman.

Wasn't he also using the environment to his advantage though?

Originally posted by h1a8
The brace was there secure his injured leg. In the documentary, I believe Nolan documented on the scene and no where said the brace supplied him with extra power.

This doesn't prove anything lol. If you want to prove the brace didn't enhance striking power then all you need to do is show Batman showing similar striking power without the brace.

We have 3 movies and the brace is only used in 1, so surely feats of the same caliber without the brace will be easy to find.