Rematch Hulk vs Zeus

Originally posted by -K-M-
It's not. When there is no factual evidence to support an argument it holds no weight

You're not familiar with comic characters are you? Not a bad thing, but just wondering what your background is and what your familiar with so I can give comparisons

Because he showed ligtening blasts earlier and that is what could have vaporized him. The whole point was he wanted to nerf himself to Hulk's level. So now you're argument maybe he didn't? Even Hera called on Zeus to break the oath as he (hulk) is a monster. However, Zeus refused and said "the word of Zeus. Your terms beast"

Why shouldn't a skyfather be capable of using such magic? And it seems like a logical alternative when the seeming damage Zeus dealt isn't equal to damage Hulk's taken in the past.

Star Wars is my background.

Yeah but what reason does Zeus have to keep it? And Hulk never even set terms in the first place. He's interrupted by Zeus's attack before he can.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What is a reach is coming up with explanations don't exist anywhere in-text.

People saying Zeus somehow "laced his fists with healing factor and strength mitigating spells" are making tall claims that need proof. That's how it works.

Zeus beat Hulk down. That's what Hephestus said, that's what was shown, and pure power was the only reason implied.

Again, Occam's Razor tells us which side is more likely correct. It's a put up, or shut up situation.

The lightning around his fists was a superficial artistic effect until proven otherwise. Seeing as said lightning was not pointed out in the story as a detail, at all. Anywhere. It's only being brought up by zealots looking for excuses for Hulk's loss.

Once more, the Carver and Stoic argument is essentially saying it is impossible for Hulk to lose by mere KO, ever. Even though it has happened over and over.

I think it's fair to come up with alternative logical explanations in lieu if one does not exist.

Occam's what?

"The lightning around his fists was a superficial artistic effect until proven otherwise."

Why?

Can you name another example? I believe you I just want to be sure, you know?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why shouldn't a skyfather be capable of using such magic? And it seems like a logical alternative when the seeming damage Zeus dealt isn't equal to damage Hulk's taken in the past.

Star Wars is my background.

Yeah but what reason does Zeus have to keep it? And Hulk never even set terms in the first place.

Because as NOTED he wasn't using his magic. He nerfed himself to Hulk's terms

Yes he did...just read the issue. He said Zeus would be a coward if he used his powers and wanted a fist fight. Why does he keep it? Word of Zeus.

Sorry, but after your dishonest out-of context scan posting---especially after admitting you didn't even read it-- it is clear you are no longer worth engaging on this subject.

Well no, Hera said

"You don't have to keep your word to a beast!"

Zeus didn't say anything to contradict her then said

"Your terms beast!"

Like he was going to abide by them.

Then he attacks Hulk midsentence before terms can be set.

And he says before that he's going to give him a beating by hand but then goes back on that and flings a lightning bolt at him right after.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What is a reach is coming up with explanations don't exist anywhere in-text.

People saying Zeus somehow "laced his fists with healing factor and strength mitigating spells" are making tall claims that need proof. That's how it works.

Zeus beat Hulk down. That's what Hephestus said, that's what was shown, and pure power was the only reason implied.

Again, Occam's Razor tells us which side is more likely correct. It's a put up, or shut up situation.

The lightning around his fists was a superficial artistic effect until proven otherwise. Seeing as said lightning was not pointed out in the story as a detail, at all. Anywhere. It's only being brought up by zealots looking for excuses for Hulk's loss.

Once more, the Carver and Stoic argument is essentially saying it is impossible for Hulk to lose by mere KO, ever. Even though it has happened over and over.

No. That wasn't what I was saying. Perhaps you should go back and read what I said. It was in concerns to his HF, not whether or not he was going to defeat Zeus. Furthermore, if you really want to get technical about it, the Hulk didn't go all out. This is not to say, now pay close attention. This is not to say that even if he went all out that he would have defeated Zeus, just that he didn't raise the bar on Earth the way that he did when he was in the Dark Dimension. All the same, you're free to go back and re-read what I wrote concerning his healing factor, and why I wrote what I wrote.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Well no, Hera said

"You don't have to keep your word to a beast!"

Zeus didn't say anything to contradict her then said

"Your terms beast!"

Like he was going to abide by them.

Then he attacks Hulk midsentence before terms can be set.

What does "Word of Zeus" mean? I notice you completely ignored it. Hint...it means he is honor bound to follow the stipulations

He could have whiped him out with the lightening blast but intentially missed and said your terms Hulk and said "the word of Zeus" as in I swear I will follow your terms

😬

Bleh.

Originally posted by -K-M-
What does "Word of Zeus" mean? I notice you completely ignored it. Hint...it means he is honor bound to follow the stipulations

He could have whipped him out with the lightening blast but intentially missed and said your terms Hulk and said "the word of Zeus" as in I swear I will follow your terms

😬

Oh shoot. I missed that. I thought he HAD hit Hulk with the lightning bolt but you're right that he intentionally missed. Fair point.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Like my point is. Zeus isn't really an honorable guy.

He says he's going to give Hulk what he wants.

"A beating."

Then proceeds to utterly shit on that and instead throw a lightning bolt at him.

He asks what his terms are then attacks him before the terms are even set.

Zeus isn't a guy who's word I'd trust enough to use it as evidence here tbh.

and you have evidence he wasn't being honorable here? The mental gymnastics you people are doing is mind blowing.

He says he wants to give him a beating..."to be beaten to death..by hand"

If he truly wasn't honorable he COULD have killed him at any time, which Hulk himself verified and said he would be a coward if he did. Which Zeus took as an insult and wanted to teach him a lesson JUST using his fists

Again you don't read the characters, so what evidence are you basing this off?

Zeus is more honorable then I thought. 😛

Still, the point stands that Zeus still used lightning at the very end which pretty much goes against what he said he was going to do and it's possible he simply realized he couldn't put Hulk down without using external aids like magic.

Originally posted by Stoic
No. That wasn't what I was saying. Perhaps you should go back and read what I said. It was in concerns to his HF, not whether or not he was going to defeat Zeus. Furthermore, if you really want to get technical about it, the Hulk didn't go all out. This is not to say, now pay close attention. This is not to say that even if he went all out that he would have defeated Zeus, just that he didn't raise the bar on Earth the way that he did when he was in the Dark Dimension. All the same, you're free to go back and re-read what I wrote concerning his healing factor, and why I wrote what I wrote.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Guess you could explain it as Hulk's HF working overtime to keep from getting demolished by Zeus, and his whole nervous system was like "I'm done." afterward.

This whole argument of: Hulk's came back from deeper level of injuries is equivalent to saying he can't get knocked out.

"Oh he came back from a near skeleton, he can't get knocked out because that's just your brain hitting your skull. Lower level."

Obviously, that's stupid.

And no, Zeus showed he was a man of his word, completely. He said he would beat Hulk with his hands instead of simply erasing him from existence. He proceeded to do exactly that. He beat Hulk with Grecian fisticuffs.

First, respond to that.

The bold is what you are implicitly arguing. Like it or not.

It has nothing to do with the Zeus fight by itself, but all together. Missing the forest for a single tree. Jesus.

Originally posted by -K-M-
and you have evidence he wasn't being honorable here? The mental gymnastics you people are doing is mind blowing.

If he truly wasn't honorable he COULD have killed him at any time, which Hulk himself verified and said he would be a coward if he did.

Again you don't read the characters, so what evidence are you basing this off?

Nah, I just glazed over that part of the scan and missed that. Who's "you people" btw?

True enough.

I was basing it off of that I'd thought I'd seen Zeus go back on his word right after giving it but I missed the lightning bolt going right to the side of Hulk. My bad.

Jesus Christ to all of this.

A breakdown of the fight for anyone that hasn't read it before.

1. Zeus says he could simply erase Hulk with ease. Hulk says he'd be a coward to do that.

2. Zeus agrees to beat him with his fists alone. Hulk sucker-punches Zeus.

3. Hera tries to instigate by riling up Zeus to just end the fight quick after said sucker punch.

4. Zeus shows his pride by missing a thunderbolt toss on purpose, showing his wife that she isn't going to manipulate him into breaking his word.

5. Zeus agrees to Hulk's terms. Fight actually starts.

6. Zeus beats that ass.

Zeus was completely honorable with his word. Lol at Carver and Stoic saying otherwise.

Yeah that's accurate. Sorry for misinterpreting that one panel.

The thing I'm iffy on is that Hulk has healed from seemingly greater damage and Zeus was still using lightning during the fight.

If he can retain his public reputation by appearing to beat Hulk physically yet he actually used magic in part to put down Hulk for an extended period of time then I don't find it illogical that he might've done so. I also DEFINITELY don't see why he would be incapable of such.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Sorry, but after your dishonest out-of context scan posting---especially after admitting you didn't even read it-- it is clear you are no longer worth engaging on this subject.

Huh? No, I wasn't being dishonest. I just didn't look closely enough at the scan. I thought he'd hit Hulk's side with lightning but you're right it hit right to the side of him.

Ok, fair enough then.

Anyway, the answer is simple, give us the receipts to these fan theories. Or its all just pointless fan fiction.

*Shrug*

Maybe it's just my background with SW debating where you often have to assume the reason behind certain actions given how illogical they get sometimes ( Yoda vs Dooku ) but I'm much more open to speculation then most. Especially reasonable speculation which I think this is.

There was never, ever stated or implied to be any kind of spell that weakened Hulk at all.

Even after Hulk was rescued from the vultures, he and the rest of his hulk team moved away from the Greek stuff and Hulk was still weak for a good amount of time. IIRC at one point he was having trouble with a random dinosaur while he was still recovering from the ass-whooping.

Never once did anyone say he was under a spell that needed time to wear off. It was just sold as him being on the mend from injuries.

But it shouldn't be outside of the capabilities of a Skyfather, right? I hear Odin is pretty ridiculous in regards to his versatility as well as his power.

But you could see how people who think it was a spell would simply believe that its effects wore off over time similar to Hulk recovering from an injury right?

Like I said. It doesn't need to be stated to be a logical alternative imo.