How technically skilled was sidious in saber combat?

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. You don't think Ellimist is busy?

2. I like how you presume my stance even though I know nothing about Trek. Where do you rank Maul?

3. The one that you were accusing me of running away from, lmfao.

2. I read your fanboyish responses when it comes to Sheev so I know damn well the conclusion you'd reach. What kind of silly question is that. What debate do you want to have with regards to Maul. Who do you want to pit against him ?

3. Asking you to debate three films vs another three films is an easy debate for you. You're familiar with the Ot films so all you'd need to do is watch three Trek films and prepare for the debate.

1. Then I won't make any promises because I don't know if I can keep it. I'll be getting busier in the future - not that I've posted much recently anyway.

2. You mean the thread where you got wrecked and ended up trying to deny source material?

As for Maul, I'd pit Dooku against him, but that's probably a bit cliche. Is this Canon only?

3. That wasn't it, but whatever. Watching films once isn't going to make it an "easy debate" at all, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Then I won't make this promise because I don't know if I can keep it. I'll be getting busier in the future - not that I've posted much recently anyway.

2. You mean the thread where you got wrecked and ended up trying to deny source material?

As for Maul, I'd pit Dooku against him, but that's probably a bit cliche. Is this Canon only?

3. That wasn't it, but whatever. Watching films once isn't going to make it an "easy debate" at all, lol.

2. Your interpretation and double standards aren't facts just your perception.

I don't do legends. Ever.

3. There isn't as much action in Trek as there is in Wars typically. Three movies isn't asking a lot of someone to familiarize yourself with.

2. Interpretation? I literally quoted the sources word-for-word and you claimed that sourcebooks are irrelevant, and we only take what's on-screen (which, of course, is also subject to interpretation).

Keeping in mind that if you have that sort of attitude, then I won't be debating you.

3. Right, but the technicalities in all of Trek is a different story.

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. Interpretation? I literally quoted the sources word-for-word and you claimed that sourcebooks are irrelevant, and we only take what's on-screen (which, of course, is also subject to interpretation).

Keeping in mind that if you have that sort of attitude, then I won't be debating you.

3. Right, but the technicalities in all of Trek is a different story.

I knew you wouldn't either way.

3. Another excuse. I've heard them before from Ot fans. When I come knocking at their door most excuse themselves from the debate.

There's no hyperbole or vagueness in "Palpatine was barely tested" or "Palpatine never wavered from his position of superiority". Common sense would be to accept them, not nitpick minor details in the film and try to twist them to support your stance.

I'm not an "OT fan", lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's no hyperbole or vagueness in "Palpatine was barely tested" or "Palpatine never wavered from his position of superiority". Common sense would be to accept them, not nitpick minor details in the film and try to twist them to support your stance.

I'm not an "OT fan", lol.

You're a Sheev fan.

1. Those are quotes referring to Sidious vs Maul and Opress.

2. Which has nothing to do with Star Wars vs Star Trek, which is going to be dictated by the ships and what not, rather than one Force user, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Those are quotes referring to Sidious vs Maul and Opress.

2. Which has nothing to do with Star Wars vs Star Trek, which is going to be dictated by the ships and what not, rather than one Force user, lol.

1. I have agreed he was superior to Maul in the fight so what's your gripe ?

2. Star Wars takes place in a time of war. Star Trek does not. Have you no faith in the empire Sheev has put together ? Are you afraid of Khan ?

Not at all. He focused on mastering every form, clearly a terrible mistake to make as per the omniscient dueling god Dooku.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I have agreed he was superior to Maul in the fight so what's your gripe ?

2. Star Wars takes place in a time of war. Star Trek does not. Have you no faith in the empire Sheev has put together ? Are you afraid of Khan ?

1. My gripe was in reference to how you treat sourcebooks. Are you even following?

2. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. My gripe was in reference to how you treat sourcebooks. Are you even following?

2. What are you talking about?

2. The Wars vs Trek debate. Wars takes place in a time of conflict whereas Trek takes place in a time of peace. Are you afraid of Khan the Star Trek character who will no doubt crush Sheev's old skull.

1. I'm referring to our past debate you cretin. That's like the fourth time that you've shown that you can't keep up with basic conversations.

2. Again, I know nothing about Star Trek. How hard is that to comprehend?

Quan still obsessed with proving Star Wars is shit next to Star Trek I see. The guy really does hate Star Wars. Like in an obsessive way.

At least Star Wars films never flopped though 😂

Originally posted by SunRazer
He says acrobatics are a waste of energy - he still does them.

And he might not use other forms, but he still knows/mastered them, which still counts as technical knowledge/skill. Does Mace incorporate other forms?

And we are talking about applied technical skill in which case Dooku only saw need for Makashi, but that doesn't make him inferior to Drallig. And Mace only used Vaapad but needed to master other forms to master Juyo.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As I recall he says that specifically in terms of Ataru.

And we are talking about applied technical skill in which case Dooku only saw need for Makashi, but that doesn't make him inferior to Drallig. And Mace only used Vaapad but needed to master other forms to master Juyo.

I believe that's the reason he holds Ataru in disdain - the acrobatics. Which he still employs anyway.

What are you talking about? We count technical skill in terms of what they possess, which includes forms that they don't use.

Why? If he doesn't use them?

More to the point, they evidently don't make him of greater technical skill, or he would use them.

Because we're basically just discussing knowledge of fighting. If you're not, then we're just discussing different things, so we can move on.

Again, Mace doesn't use the other forms either. He just knows them so he has the discipline and experience required to attempt Form VII. Yoda uses just Ataru, etc.

I like how Nova changes his stance on the same topic from debate to debate to suit his agenda 🙂

I've used the word "know" a lot already, lol.