Originally posted by SunRazerAnd that's the thing. Lucas/Gillard didn't convey Palpatine being disarmed. They deliberately cut it out of the film - because they decided they didn't want it.
We don't know why they didn't film it. Perhaps for logistical reasons. But the result of that disarming is shown in the film, and a part of the fight is clearly missing from the film which is described in the script.
So yeah, it's canon.
Originally posted by SunRazerWe are discussing combat skill, in which case I don't see the point of noting things that aren't used in combat, but I don't really care anymore.
What? We're not discussing what's relevant to a fight here. The rest of the stuff is relevant to his skill in a holistic sense.
Saber combat involves more than just using a lightsaber, as I'm sure you're well aware (in fact, don't sources literally say that lightsaber combat is not limited to using a lightsaber?). Martial arts do factor into saber combat, whether passively like Battle Precognition or actively.And this thread is just for the lightsaber aspect, not battle precog, Force augmentation or indeed martial arts.Sidious is an ambidextrous master of everything. That trumps Yoda's mastery of the traditional seven.
And Yoda is a master of everything as well, not just the seven styles, so that leaves us with Sids being better cause he's two handed? Neph-tier argument.
I was clarifying my stance, not yours, lol.And then proceeds to insist that clarifying his stance on birds was important, kek.
Right, but we know Sidious' style is better than just Grievous/Magnaguard's mix of lightsaber forms. Moreover, Gillard outright says that Sidious' abilities with a lightsaber are beyond that of ever experienced, so that does lend credence to the idea of him being more technically skilled than Dooku or Yoda (whom we already saw in AotC).And there are canon sources that say differently, so relying on Gillard alone is not a strong argument.
Right, but that's just your sheer skill, not your technical skill or knowledge.Then piss off lmao.I'm not discussing that.
Anyways, I'm tired. If I'm bothered to post tomorrow, I will.More like senile. 👆
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. I'm referring to our past debate you cretin. That's like the fourth time that you've shown that you can't keep up with basic conversations.2. Again, I know nothing about Star Trek. How hard is that to comprehend?
1. We had many past debates you pile of shit. An effective debater specially references something not just vague statements. You also brought up Tondemonai and didn't know anything about the facts.
2. You're a coward. I got it.
Bonus round: You're also a hypocrite. Many other posters are calling you out for how utterly moronic you are in that regard.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWho wins in a fight doesn't mean who you like more. I guess that's how you decide but I'm clearly objective. You just admitted you're not. Kudos to me.
Quan still obsessed with proving Star Wars is shit next to Star Trek I see. The guy really does hate Star Wars. Like in an obsessive way.At least Star Wars films never flopped though 😂
Star Wars is vastly more successful.
One thing though I have always maintained the Kelvin trilogy mops the floor with the Ot trilogy. Prove me wrong you effeminate cuckold.
Khan crushes Palpatine's skull.
I have also always maintained the First Order is greater than the empire as well. You disagree since you hate the new villains. I'm the only Snoke fan yet. I'm a trail blazer you sheep.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Yoda isn't stated to be a master of numerous forbidden martial arts, nor Jar'kai(?) and doesn't really use a seamless mix of forms like Sidious does, which is probably the true hallmark of somebody who's mastered everything. In the end, Yoda's still more of a specialist than a generalist like Sidious.
Like Palpatine, Yoda is a master of all forms of lightsaber combat. However, it does seem reasonable to assume that his style would predominately emphasize Ataru, simply to compensate for his small stature.
This excerpt from Fightsaber indicates as much:
Palpatine, however, doesn't adhere to one form in particular -- he's all over the place.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Quote please?
For which one in particular?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
We are discussing combat skill, in which case I don't see the point of noting things that aren't used in combat, but I don't really care anymore.
This has already devolved into nitpicking, so yeah, we really should stop.
And this thread is just for the lightsaber aspect, not battle precog, Force augmentation or indeed martial arts.
It says lightsaber combat, which involves more than just swinging the blades.
And Yoda is a master of everything as well, not just the seven styles, so that leaves us with Sids being better cause he's two handed? Neph-tier argument.
Quote?
And then proceeds to insist that clarifying his stance on birds was important, kek.
I did make an address to your point, which you separated from this part and then go on to talk about how this part isn't relevant to your post.
You need electroconvulsive therapy.
And there are canon sources that say differently, so relying on Gillard alone is not a strong argument.
Fair enough in terms of Sidious > Yoda, which I don't hold for sabers anyway. But putting them as equals still works, and even Lucas seems to think that.
Then piss off lmao.
That was your point, you stupid donkey.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. We had many past debates you pile of shit. An effective debater specially references something not just vague statements. You also brought up Tondemonai and didn't know anything about the facts.
We had one that you ran away from.
2. You're a coward. I got it.
You're still in denial.
Bonus round: You're also a hypocrite. Many other posters are calling you out for how utterly moronic you are in that regard.
Appeal to the population? lol
Besides, you do know what other people think of you, right? Try not to flatter yourself.
Sidious knowing forbidden martial arts:
"I trained him in numerous exotic and forbidden martial arts, disciplined him constantly, and personally applied the Sith tattoos that were evidence of his complete dedication to the dark side."-- Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
The rest of it is based off Gillard (and one Lucas) quotes in RotS interviews:
"Pertaining to whether Sidious is right-handed or left-handed with a lightsaber, he's ambidextrous. He's just that good."
"Sidious' abilities are beyond anything we've experienced."
"Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style."
"It took a really long time for Nick (Gillard) to work out Sidious' fighting style, and he has a style that's constantly changing. His style is one in which you'll never get the better of him. It is ambiguous --- he'll fight less than you and draw you in; you're a sucker if you think you're going to better him."
Grievous wasn't the only villain given his own unique lightsaber method. For Episode III Gillard also was tasked with designing an impressive style for a character fans saw fight only briefly (via Force lightning) in Return of the Jedi -- the Emperor."He's better than Yoda in a way because he has the extra power of the dark side," Gillard explains. "His character is so shrouded that his fighting style should be shrouded as well. The Emperor is deadly dangerous."
Originally posted by SunRazerI can't recall you beating anyone in a debate. You don't even debate you just post links to sourcebooks showing you cannot do the most fundamental aspect of debating. Critical thinking.
You mean in a one-sided debate because you knew you'd lose a fair one as you did last time?Again, just step up and admit it. You talk so much of being a man, yet you can't even admit your losses. Hypocrisy personified.
Accept the debate and represent Palpatine and his empire you gutless worm.
Originally posted by SunRazer
You mean in a one-sided debate because you knew you'd lose a fair one as you did last time?Again, just step up and admit it. You talk so much of being a man, yet you can't even admit your losses. Hypocrisy personified.
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Quan's a class A chicken.
I still laugh at him repeatedly running from my Khan vs TCW Ahsoka challenge 😂