Bane vs. Crossbones

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No shit he didn't have the metal arm then. His real one was still intact at that point. None of the other super soldiers they created had metal limbs. Which means he likely damaged it severely at some point (likely during the fall), hence why it was replaced. So, again, your statements prove nothing, and provide zero evidence of a time line as to when they found him after his fall.

Then, like I said, prove she could have done better while fighting differently. Saying it's "not impossible" is not proof of anything. She has pulled moves like that several times during her MCU career, and virtually always successfully. But keep labeling techniques that Black Widow has repeatedly utilised (with positive end results) as "silly shit".

My point is that my point is just as valid as yours. You don't have any proof that they enhanced him then. His physical performance was no different.

We don't know how well she would do but we can't judge how well she would do based off a silly leg grab failing.

Originally posted by h1a8
No I didn't. Tony never hit WS as far as I know. I referenced the Tony scene as evidence that a human can tank WS hits without being koed. The other fighter(s) managed to tag WS.

All you've proven is that Tony has better durability than Bane.

Originally posted by Silent Master
All you've proven is that Tony has better durability than Bane.

Tony has normal and average human durability. Nothing more.

Originally posted by h1a8
Tony has normal and average human durability. Nothing more.

Then Bane and Baleman must have below average durability as neither of then has a durability feat on par with taking a hit from a super-soldier.

Originally posted by h1a8
My point is that my point is just as valid as yours. You don't have any proof that they enhanced him then. His physical performance was no different.

Except I actually referenced A. Him being shown in the lab. B. Him surviving a fall that would have killed a regular person. So, I made a claim based on screen evidence. You made a claim based on your opinion of what happened after, and then failed to provide any evidence in support of the time line you constructed. So, no, your point is not as valid as mine.

Originally posted by h1a8

We don't know how well she would do but we can't judge how well she would do based off a silly leg grab failing.

Again, trying to downplay moves she uses frequently and effectively as "silly" is just pathetic on your part. We go by what screen evidence provides us. Not by what you like to imagine could happen otherwise. And I have already provided other reasoning as to why she more than likely would not last very long. Points you completely failed to address.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then Bane and Baleman must have below average durability as neither of then has a durability feat on par with taking a hit from a super-soldier.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Except I actually referenced A. Him being shown in the lab. B. Him surviving a fall that would have killed a regular person. So, I made a claim based on screen evidence. You made a claim based on your opinion of what happened after, and then failed to provide any evidence in support of the time line you constructed. So, no, your point is not as valid as mine.

Again, trying to downplay moves she uses frequently and effectively as "silly" is just pathetic on your part. We go by what screen evidence provides us. Not by what you like to imagine could happen otherwise. And I have already provided other reasoning as to why she more than likely would not last very long. Points you completely failed to address.

I'm not claiming anything but giving alternative possibilities of what is the case. The killer of your theory is that Bucky wasn't enhanced when he got rescued. He operated normally. The writer's intent is clear.

The move is silly. That shit doesn't work on professional fighters. We can agree to disagree. I'm a MA and my opinion is valid on the matter.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree that the fall would have killed a normal person. He landed in water.

He fell several stories in height and there was a frozen river at the bottom. Even Cap was convinced that he died from the drop, and he actually witnessed it.

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm not claiming anything but giving alternative possibilities of what is the case. The killer of your theory is that Bucky wasn't enhanced when he got rescued. He operated normally. The writer's intent is clear.

Your alternative possibilities mean nothing without proof. And I never said he was fully WS back then. I said they had started experimenting on him. And I see you are again trying to pass off your own opinion as writer's intent.

Originally posted by h1a8

The move is silly. That shit doesn't work on professional fighters. We can agree to disagree. I'm a MA and my opinion is valid on the matter.

I have more than a decade's worth of martial arts experience myself. What happens in RL martial arts is completely irrelevant to what goes on in the movies. She has been shown to use those kinds of moves successfully in a multitude of fights, regardless of how impractical they are in the real world. Characters like Captain America and Daredevil also often use certain types of kicks, flips etc. that are highly impractical in a real fight, but with great success in their onscreen fights. The effectiveness of how it is portrayed onscreen does not change because of RL fighting.

They explain Zola was experimenting on Bucky when Cap found him. That's how he survived the fall and only lost his arm.

Even if the river isn't frozen, after a fair few metres water can be like concrete. It wasn't a soft landing either way.

Originally posted by KingD19
They explain Zola was experimenting on Bucky when Cap found him. That's how he survived the fall and only lost his arm.

Yes, and everyone except H1 seems to know and acknowledge this.

Also Bucky fell flat. There was nothing to break the water and soften his impact

Originally posted by KingD19
Also Bucky fell flat. There was nothing to break the water and soften his impact

Funny, because according to H1, not only would a normal human survive the fall, but the Hydra guys also "obviously" found him shortly after.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bane has phenomenal durability due to him no selling Batman's haymakers. Tony was hurt badly by WS but wasn't koed. This is a huge difference.

The difference being WS >>> Baleman, thus Tony not being ko'd is the better feat, which in turn means he has the higher durability.

But if you feel that Baleman's haymakers are better than WS's best striking feats, we can always BZ it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree that the fall would have killed a normal person. He landed in water.

I'm not claiming anything but giving alternative possibilities of what is the case. The killer of your theory is that Bucky wasn't enhanced when he got rescued. He operated normally. The writer's intent is clear.

The move is silly. That shit doesn't work on professional fighters. We can agree to disagree. I'm a MA and my opinion is valid on the matter.

Prove you're a MA.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree that the fall would have killed a normal person. He landed in water.

I'm not claiming anything but giving alternative possibilities of what is the case. The killer of your theory is that Bucky wasn't enhanced when he got rescued. He operated normally. The writer's intent is clear.

The move is silly. That shit doesn't work on professional fighters. We can agree to disagree. I'm a MA and my opinion is valid on the matter.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He fell several stories in height and there was a frozen river at the bottom. Even Cap was convinced that he died from the drop, and he actually witnessed it.

Your alternative possibilities mean nothing without proof. And I never said he was fully WS back then. I said they had started experimenting on him. And I see you are again trying to pass off your own opinion as writer's intent.

I have more than a decade's worth of martial arts experience myself. What happens in RL martial arts is completely irrelevant to what goes on in the movies. She has been shown to use those kinds of moves successfully in a multitude of fights, regardless of how impractical they are in the real world. Characters like Captain America and Daredevil also often use certain types of kicks, flips etc. that are highly impractical in a real fight, but with great success in their onscreen fights. The effectiveness of how it is portrayed onscreen does not change because of RL fighting.

I've got both of you beat in the martial arts department.. I've been a martial artist for 40 years...

Didn't you know, everyone in these forums are martial artists. Actually everyone on any forum is a martial artist. Me included.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Didn't you know, everyone in these forums are martial artists. Actually everyone on any forum is a martial artist. Me included.

👆

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I've got both of you beat in the martial arts department.. I've been a martial artist for 40 years...

yes youre a mcdojo expert for 40 years just like these guys(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAqSslNmzY)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=briMFF3duow) who routinely get their asses kicked by a 11 years bully durin your 40 years of garbage training since joined the mcdojo 😂

as for this thread bane slaughters with ease

bane vs comic book lady shiva or new 52 deathstroke would be a better fight 💃

bane punches a hole through his skull

Bane couldn't even beat an over the hill Batman with bad knees and a back back.