Originally posted by Inhuman
While Shazam is one of the lower budget DC movies it spent a lot on advertising costs.
Originally posted by Inhuman
The movie budget was around 100 million according to updated reports. Not the 80 which were early estimates that are not likely true. So normally advertising and distribution would make it at least 200 million if not more since this film is on the heavy side of advertising compared to other films.
So in total it could be 200-250 million to make this movie.But i dunno, thats just my guess.
Lol always nice for Inhuman to play the Anti-Golgo around here.
This is the full article:
https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/shazam-tops-studios-tv-ad-spending-1203178303/amp/
All it says is that Shazam topped the tv advert spots for that week (around 6-7mill the week before release). Nothing about spending an enormous amount on marketing compared to other superhero films,
So unless you have another source for that?, I think its safe to presume the marketing costs on this film are in line with its budget.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
We can count DCEU if you want. But at the end of the day, it'll be Batman, James Gunn's Suicide Squad, WW, and Harley. Some of those are Batman related, which always seem to make big bucks. Then you have Black Adam, which will more than likely come before Flash. And the Rock is the closest thing to a 90's super-star than anyone. DCEU phase 2 will more than likely make more than MCU's, I can almost guarantee that.
How many films and years is this second fix going to last?
Marvels lasted from September 2013 with IM3 to July 2015 with Ant-Man. And included 6films all in all. The lowest grossing was Ant-Man with $519mill (Shazam likely isnt making that), and the highest Age of Ultron with 1.4bill.
So again, are you sure? You have until next year to match Marvels Phase 2, with Wonder Woman 1984, Birds of Prey and SS2? Youll be 1 movie behind due to Joker (if we dont include that). Matt Reeves Batman wont be out for another 2 years.
Also youre right, its a lot of Batman related stuff there.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
How many films and years is this second fix going to last?Marvels lasted from September 2013 with IM3 to July 2015 with Ant-Man. And included 6films all in all. The lowest grossing was Ant-Man with $519mill (Shazam likely isnt making that), and the highest Age of Ultron with 1.4bill.
So again, are you sure? You have until next year to match Marvels Phase 2, with Wonder Woman 1984, Birds of Prey and SS2? Youll be 1 movie behind due to Joker (if we dont include that). Matt Reeves Batman wont be out for another 2 years.
Also youre right, its a lot of Batman related stuff there.
Why are you including years? I'm just counting mcu next 6 to dceu. The next six will more than likely match, if not exceed, depending if wb doesn't drop the ball. Mcu had a billion dollar plus in their first phase, but the dcu still surpassed them. SHAZAM could have done more. But it had a shitty release date.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Why are you including years? I'm just counting mcu next 6 to dceu. The next six will more than likely match, if not exceed, depending if wb doesn't drop the ball. Mcu had a billion dollar plus in their first phase, but the dcu still surpassed them. SHAZAM could have done more. But it had a shitty release date.
Number of years is important dude. If you just go by number of films, then Aqaman fits at the end of their Phase I. But thats silly given how much longer it took them to get there. And JL was clearly intended to end their Phase I.
Yeah yeah pre-Avengers of course DCEU made more in the first phase. Thats the only argument you had for years, but wont hold up post the first Avengers. The MCU needed time to build up popularity for their B-list characters.
Dont make excuses for Shazam. It simply faces the same issue the MCU had in its first Phase. Bringing in an audience for a completely unknown character with no affiliation to Batman or Superman. And without having built that brand name yet for their shared universe.
But when people or organizations report box office, they dont care about years. At cinemacon, Disney reported that their first 10 film did such and such. A huge accompaniment for sure. I just think DC's will do more.
And SHAZAM certainly did have a horrible release date. Just because you're an unknown character, doesn't automatically mean low box office. Quite the opposite these days.
^ The reason the DCEU was behind by one film in their first Phase was because the DCEU kept revamping what they were doing. You cant not knock points off for that. I mean there was like 3 years between their first and second films. Jeez.
Edit- Just count Joker in there to simplify it and call WW1984 the end of their Phase 2. Jeez.
Its upto Warner Bros when they want to release their films. Cant bring those reasons into an objective comparison of box office numbers.
I mean how many decades are we supposed to give the DCEU to catch up anyway? Obviously the longer it takes them the less valid a comparison is to Marvel, because more and more years will pass between their phases, and then multiple factors come into play like inflation, the market demand for superhero films, the growing international markets e.t.c.
I mean would you honestly compare the box office for the first 3 MCU films to the first 3 Fox X-Men films? Lol. That would be a ridiculously stupid comparison.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Golgo is a troll who knows dceu has sputtered he is trying to spin it. Why try to convince an obvious troll who lives in his own fantasy world.
Well I was waiting for time to catch up on him.
So thought it would be interesting to see his response now. But yeah he is kind of just trolling.
Guess ill have to come back in 2023 and ask why DC hasnt made their Infinity War yet, and he will be like- Theyve only done 18 movies, not 20! Give them time! But if we take averages and count the new 5d ticket sales then DC is doing better on Averages!!!
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean how many decades are we supposed to give the DCEU to catch up anyway?
That implies that it should, or that they even want to anymore. Snyder's universe is basically a bust at this point. Shazam having references to other DC characters doesn't mean they're still trying to make their own MCU.
They're better off doing their own thing for now, and then maybe in future doing crossovers if they work well.
What's good, though, is that both Aquaman and Shazam have so far performed above expectations when it comes to sales, at least.
^ Oh yeah for sure. Im just taking it up with Zach who claims DC is ahead.
Whats more important than their revenue, is that Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam have all been received very well from critics and audiences.
But of course with Aquaman crossing the Billion mark That also makes DC a legitimate box office beast again.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Oh yeah for sure. Im just taking it up with Zach who claims DC is ahead.Whats more important than their revenue, is that Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam have all been received very well from critics and audiences.
But of course with Aquaman crossing the Billion mark That also makes DC a legitimate box office beast again.
Yeah; if only the movie was better to begin with.
I fully expect a Star Wars-esque soft-reboot where they throw out what they want to, and keep what they want to. I just hope it's done better than Star Wars was. Though there's still Abrams and his episode 9 to see.
I fully expect Wonder Woman 2 to make a damn fortune too.
Right so being the boring accountant that I am, ive added up the costs and revenue for both.
So if we compare by budget spent comparatively with Marvel, and Number of years taken to get there, then DCEUs Phase I ended with Justice League, and was slightly beaten by Marvel Phase I in revenue.
However if we go by number of films (Golgos fav way, because thats the best way for him to spin the reality of the situation), then DCs Phase I ended with Aquaman and in that case the DCEUs Phase I plastered MCUs Phase I by over a billion. However the context is it did that by spending an additional $260-300million and taking an extra 1.5years to get there.
And if you want to go by that Golgo, thats fine, but in that case your Phase 2 is off to a horrible start financially (Shazam) compared to Marvels which started with IM3 and ended with AOU.
Also number of years does matter Golgo. Because Its not just impressive how much Marvel has made per number of films, but just how massively theyve built up their Universe in such a short amount of time.
And of course Marvel has the biggest individual hits no matter which Phase you look at.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah; if only the movie was better to begin with.I fully expect a Star Wars-esque soft-reboot where they throw out what they want to, and keep what they want to. I just hope it's done better than Star Wars was. Though there's still Abrams and his episode 9 to see.
I fully expect Wonder Woman 2 to make a damn fortune too.
Well given theyre recasting Batman, im guessing they will somehow soft reboot. But honestly I dont think they care, and treating it more like Foxs X-Men than JJs Stat Wars. First Class was a soft reboot of sorts. Technically in the same Universe, but just focusing on quality films over continuity at that point.
And before they do their next Justice League they can change the timeline continuity or something the way DOFP did. Thats probably the only way forward for them as they cant hard reboot at this point.