Originally posted by h1a8
This will not work since my basis is not solely on visual but the ability to level multiple thugs simultaneously or beat someone who can.
And we can provide numerous instances of SHIELD agents beating up multiple thugs simultaneously while you won't find any feat of Ra's beating multiple foes simultaneously.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And we can provide numerous instances of SHIELD agents beating up multiple thugs simultaneously while you won't find any feat of Ra's beating multiple foes simultaneously.
H1 refused the BZ because he knows that an examination of their feats would show that the Elite agents are more skilled.
Originally posted by h1a8
All of them didn't lose though. It was inconclusive.
And Batman is far more skilled than they, plus he has armor.
Who didn't lose? Sam was down, Tony Stark was down, Agent 13 was down, and Black Widow would have been choked out if T'Challa didn't intervene. And that's ignoring all the other nameless agents who were also shown going down during Winter Soldier's rampage (and the guys in the observation room had guns and body armour, as shown when Cap goes down to the interrogation area, to see what happened). Also, prove Batman is "far" more skilled than all of them.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure. As soon as you provide a clip of Ra's beating at least 5 thugs simultaneously in h2h.
Wait for him to pull the "he fought someone who did" card, even though the moment someone mentions that Cap (who WS has fought evenly multiple times) has bested groups of humans, robots and aliens before, he is the first one to shout "you can't equate one character's showings with another" + "fluctuating power levels". As I have pointed out before, he only ever applies his equating/power fluctuation argument to people he is arguing against, but does the opposite for the characters he argues in favour of.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not dodging it. It's irrelevant. I never claimed Batman won't get hit here. And Ra is definitely more skilled than WS or those agents in pure h2h.
Originally posted by h1a8
This will not work since my basis is not solely on visual but the ability to level multiple thugs simultaneously or beat someone who can.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Wait for him to pull the "he fought someone who did" card, even though the moment someone mentions that Cap (who WS has fought evenly multiple times) has bested groups of humans, robots and aliens before, he is the first one to shout "you can't equate one character's showings with another" + "fluctuating power levels". As I have pointed out before, he only ever applies his equating/power fluctuation argument to people he is arguing against, but does the opposite for the characters he argues in favour of.
We are talking about skill. WS is enhanced and so is Cap. Keep up.
Originally posted by h1a8
We are talking about skill. WS is enhanced and so is Cap. Keep up.
My point seems to have gone way over your head. WS is skilled enough to hold his own against Cap, a guy who can do those things I mentioned. But when people try to point that out, you cry about it and say you can't scale one guy off the other. Yet you do it for the characters you argue for. And, according to your claims in the Bane vs WS thread, you feel Cap is "way" more enhanced than Bucky.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
My point seems to have gone way over your head. WS is skilled enough to hold his own against Cap, a guy who can do those things I mentioned. But when people try to point that out, you cry about it and say you can't scale one guy off the other. Yet you do it for the characters you argue for. And, according to your claims in the Bane vs WS thread, you feel Cap is "way" more enhanced than Bucky.
WS is enhanced. Him keeping up with Cap can be partially attributed to his enhanced nature. If he was an ordinary human then you guys would think that Cap could one shot kill him.
Superman can beat Cap in h2h. Is Superman more skilled? Skill and Physical stats are two different arguments.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Doesn't really matter in this match since WS keeps all the enhancements he has, thus he wins the match.
Yes but Bane is more skilled and just as durable. Bane's strong enough to really hurt WS and thus win. In 10 fights I see Bane winning at least 5 if WS doesn't exploit his mask.
Originally posted by KingD19
So Bane could take getting punched in the face by Iron Man or tossed around by Cap and Black Panther and Spidey? He can jump off buildings and from one roof to another and be okay?You said Bane is just as durable right?
As far as taking hits, If WS can then Bane can. Bane has no sold haymakers. That is saying something.
Jumping off buildings is red herring here.