Originally posted by h1a8
Yes but Bane is more skilled and just as durable. Bane's strong enough to really hurt WS and thus win. In 10 fights I see Bane winning at least 5 if WS doesn't exploit his mask.
Originally posted by h1a8
As far as taking hits, If WS can then Bane can. Bane has no sold haymakers. That is saying something.Jumping off buildings is red herring here.
Originally posted by h1a8
WS is enhanced. Him keeping up with Cap can be partially attributed to his enhanced nature. If he was an ordinary human then you guys would think that Cap could one shot kill him.Superman can beat Cap in h2h. Is Superman more skilled? Skill and Physical stats are two different arguments.
If it is only partially attributed to enhancement, then the rest of it is skill. If WS can keep up with someone that has Cap's skill level (considering Cap's feats, not just against humans, but against enhanced individuals, robots and aliens), despite not being as enhanced (according to you), that must make his own skill levels exceptional. So yes, the discussion is skill. I am commenting on how your standards of assigning skill differs depending on who the character is. Keep up.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerIf he wasn't enchanced then Cap would one shot him (per you guys). Thus skill plays a very small role in him hanging with Cap. If Bucky didn't have the metal arm but was still enhanced he would lose to Cap very quickly.
If it is only partially attributed to enhancement, then the rest of it is skill. If WS can keep up with someone that has Cap's skill level (considering Cap's feats, not just against humans, but against enhanced individuals, robots and aliens), despite not being as enhanced (according to you), that must make his own skill levels exceptional. So yes, the discussion is skill. I am commenting on how your standards of assigning skill differs depending on who the character is. Keep up.
Being enhanced gives Bucky durability (to not be one shot), making this an easy fight.
Originally posted by KingD19Only use multiple if something happen quite a few times. WS didn't get punched many times by iron man. When he did he was hurt. It wasn't a no sell.
No selling Batman's haymakers = Multiple angry punches from Iron Man?No selling Batman's haymakers = shrugging off getting tossed around by Cap? or SPidey?
If Batman laid into Bucky then either it would be the same result as Bane or worse.
Originally posted by h1a8
Only use multiple if something happen quite a few times. WS didn't get punched many times by iron man. When he did he was hurt. It wasn't a no sell.If Batman laid into Bucky then either it would be the same result as Bane or worse.
Prove that Bane could take hits from Iron-man as well as WS.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Im confused bout whose arguing what lol. So H1 is arguing that Batman can hurt WS with his punches? I dont disagree with that...why woukd somebody say hecant? Can he do it enough to put him down before WS punches a hole in his chest? Probably not.
h1 appears to be arguing that Baleman's haymakers >>>> hits from Iron-man.
Originally posted by h1a8
If he wasn't enchanced then Cap would one shot him (per you guys). Thus skill plays a very small role in him hanging with Cap. If Bucky didn't have the metal arm but was still enhanced he would lose to Cap very quickly.Being enhanced gives Bucky durability (to not be one shot), making this an easy fight.
That is the dumbest reasoning ever, and would only work if all he did was tank Cap's hits, and not avoid, dodge or block plenty of them, as well as land plenty of strikes of his own (which he does). He's even disarmed Cap of his shield before. And we've seen him dodge and land hits against people like Black Panther before as well. So, your claim only works if you ignore his actual fights, as well as ignore that Cap had a vibranium shield to counter said metal arm. Prove Cap could "very quickly" beat Bucky without the metal arm.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Im confused bout whose arguing what lol. So H1 is arguing that Batman can hurt WS with his punches? I dont disagree with that...why woukd somebody say hecant? Can he do it enough to put him down before WS punches a hole in his chest? Probably not.
H1 is basically claiming that Bane is equal in durability to Winter Soldier, and that Baleman's hits are comparable to people like Cap or Iron Man's. Also, he is claiming Ra's is far more skilled than people like Black Widow, Winter Soldier etc. because he was able to hang with Baleman, but Bucky being able to hold his own against Cap is almost solely up to being enhanced, even though he claimed that Cap is "far" more enhanced than Bucky is.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That is the dumbest reasoning ever, and would only work if all he did was tank Cap's hits, and not avoid, dodge or block plenty of them, as well as land plenty of strikes of his own (which he does). He's even disarmed Cap of his shield before. And we've seen him dodge and land hits against people like Black Panther before as well. So, your claim only works if you ignore his actual fights, as well as ignore that Cap had a vibranium shield to counter said metal arm. Prove Cap could "very quickly" beat Bucky without the metal arm.
His claim would also work if he's never seen the movies and is just making things up.
Originally posted by KingD19
I doubt it. Bane allowed multiple free shots from Batman, and he was fine. Bucky has taken shots to the face by Cap, Panther, and Iron Man. And he's never once even been close to being knocked out.
I love how H1 is now trying to chalk everything up to Bucky's durability. Like durability alone would allow him to do what he did to Cap during his rampage in CA:CW, where Steve only managed to land a single hit, and the only metal arm strike Bucky actually landed was the one he used to slam Steve through the elevator doors. He actually used mostly his legs, landing multiple kicks, to keep pushing Steve back.
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah. h1 lauds Batman's LoS training, but ignores that Bucky was a highly trained, highly decorated soldier. And then trained further by the soviets and Hydra. If he was just tough and strong, his fighting style would be very different. Kinda like Bane actually. But still a whole lot faster.
Well, I don't mind. Every post further proves my point about his fluctuating standards where assigning skill is concerned.