Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't understand a word I said.If a character lacks strength feats then we go off direct fights with characters of known strength. The character who lacks the feats, if shown to be near equal in strength in their fight, can be assumed to be near the AVERAGE strength of the other character.
That means Orion is nowhere as strong as Superman when Superman is at his best (because he lacks Clark's feats). But Orion does operate with roughly Superman's average strength due to their fights. Unless Orion has multiple showings of him struggling with forces far below what average Superman can handle.
👆 ish what I was saying.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it depends on how many showings they have.Deathstroke has plenty of showings, where, whilst he tags Flash, also has many showings where he is much slower than Flash (hit by bullets, for example).
Therefore, fights don't count as much. Feats do. Because of PIS, or WIS, or whatever, where he has to be shown to be a threat - thus, dumbing down the other side. Why else would Toyman be a fricking threat, lol.
LT? Darkseid? Fights count much more. They don't have as many appearances. ABC scaling is needed. When they enter a fight, it's a pretty damn big deal.
Captain Marvel? He has a fair few appearances. So his feats need to be taken into account. Orion? Fewer - and then, he only seems to be trotted out for fights (he IS the Dog of War, after all). So his fights count for more.
Nearly 2 years, and Carv still doesn't grasp the point.
Originally posted by Cogito
But he does have the feats, matching Superman and Darkseid. He just doesn't have the objective feats that you're looking for, which is entirely different from not having feats.
Why is this conjured back up and even Cogito is saying that even though Orion doesn't have cheese showings, his fight, FIGHTS, FIGHTS, FIGHTS, against Dakrseid and Superman shows he is a peer. Lol... this means that he doesn't need to fly across a galaxy at the blink of an eye or build a planet at super speed. His fights are proof enough he could hang and probably pull some wins. Combat is the deciding factor on how a fight should go.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is this conjured back up and even Cogito is saying that even though Orion doesn't have cheese showings, his fight, FIGHTS, FIGHTS, FIGHTS, against Dakrseid and Superman shows he is a peer. Lol... this means that he doesn't need to fly across a galaxy at the blink of an eye or build a planet at super speed. His fights are proof enough he could hang and probably pull some wins. Combat is the deciding factor on how a fight should go.
Because Orion doesn't have that many appearances. ~What you are arguing is against forum rules:
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent.
And repeated:
It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Toy Man has plenty of FIGHTS FIGHTS FIGHTS (as you excitedly call it) against one of the top heralds in DC, if not the top.
Would he give Gladiator a fight? WW? Hulk? Surfer? Thor? Holla!!!!
Originally posted by carver9
Why is this conjured back up and even Cogito is saying that even though Orion doesn't have cheese showings, his fight, FIGHTS, FIGHTS, FIGHTS, against Dakrseid and Superman shows he is a peer. Lol... this means that he doesn't need to fly across a galaxy at the blink of an eye or build a planet at super speed. His fights are proof enough he could hang and probably pull some wins. Combat is the deciding factor on how a fight should go.
You have FAILED to learn this lesson and I have to show you your failure!
Here Thanos turns his back while in a fight...
Turns his back in Moon dragon
While fighting a team, he only focused on Bill.
Turn his back on his doopleganger
Originally posted by carver9
Here Thanos turns his back while in a fight...Turns his back in Moon dragon
While fighting a team, he only focused on Bill.
Turn his back on his doopleganger
😂 did someone send those scans to you and hope that you make their argument for them?
They're shit examples, lol, and completely different to what's being argued. Let them come out of hiding.