Originally posted by cdtm
He's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful then DC's top heralds.A bloodlusted Surfer should casually one shot Superman, the same way he should casually one shot Thor (Think what Airwalker did in Heroes Reborn. That's exactly how it should be when Norrin unloads on him.)
Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, Cyborg Superman had him dancing like a ballerina while Henshaw literally laughed at his attacks. He also said that even at full power he had slim hopes of beating Kyle.Kyle also defeated an amped Thanos and Parallax amped on his power and all Surfer did was contain the power which Kyle had already absorbed.
And what 2 wins over Kyle? The only win was fan voted win.
And no, Superman has already defeated both of Surfer peers Thor and Hulk more decisively than Surfer can do.
OMG, can't mention Surfer and DC in the same sentence without you freaking out and trying to lowball him lol.
The fight between him and Cyborg got interrupted.
Surfer did what Kyle couldn't, and as you pointed out he(Kyle) pulled out a pretty good performance in that book.
Their fight in Surfer/GL didn't reach a definite conclusion? I'm not calling you a liar about it, I just thought it did(been a while since I read it though).
Surfer's 2 shotted Hulk, that's more decisive than Supes did. Hell he one shotted him by your definition.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming editorial let them, sure, but how long would that last? Writers are constantly changing books. I don't see him having the kind of repeated referencing in that kind of position as other characters, but maybe that's just me.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'd agree with you in regards to most Marvel characters, it's only Surfer's repeated impressive preformances that makes me think otherwise. DC editorial doesn't seem to have an issue with Surfer's stock being set plenty high.
To be fair, I don't think crossovers and how they're written would essentially translate exactly to continuity within the universe.
Originally posted by -Pr-
To be fair, I don't think crossovers and how they're written would essentially translate exactly to continuity within the universe.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I don't think crossovers will necessarily translate(especially one-offs), but Surfer's had 4 with different writers(at least I think) and each one painted him in a pretty spectacular light. By all indications, he'd be treated extemely well in DC. I'm not saying that he'd DEFINATELY be #1 powerwise if he took up permenant residence, just addressing your statement that he'd NEVER be #1.
I just think it's a bit more crowded at the top at DC than it is in Marvel, and even if he was made the number one guy, it wouldn't be for longer than an arc or two, is all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I just think it's a bit more crowded at the top at DC than it is in Marvel, and even if he was made the number one guy, it wouldn't be for longer than an arc or two, is all.
Originally posted by cdtmThis is his only impressive battle performance, and in the same issue he got one-shotted by Darkseid.
How about what he did to Orion. 🙂
His other battle showings include:
a). get stalemated by Cyborg Superman [who was about to plow through the PC before Parallax intervened]
b). alongside Thor and Storm, could barely phase Darkseid
Superman and Wonder Woman have much better records in inter-company crossovers.
Originally posted by Philosophía
This is his only impressive battle performance, and in the same issue he got one-shotted by Darkseid.His other battle showings include:
a). get stalemated by Cyborg Superman [who was about to plow through the PC before Parallax intervened]
b). alongside Thor and Storm, could barely phase DarkseidSuperman and Wonder Woman have much better records in inter-company crossovers.
Originally posted by darthgooberYou're right, Surfer was bailed out just as Cyborg was prepared to laugh off the Power Cosmic, after Surfer spent most of the time trying to dodge him.
They didn't really "stalemate", the fight got interupted. That's not the same thing.
I'll put the tick in Henshaw's side 👆
Originally posted by Philosophía
Facts aren't lowballing, they're facts. Surfer was dodging him, and Henshaw was mocking the power cosmic's potency, before Parallax intervened.Not my fault your boy can't overcome a half-assed Superman 🙂
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're just trying to spin the fact that Surfer showed supperior combat speed to a kryptonian with a cybernetic brain lol
Well, if he couldn't overpower him Henshaw, at least he had the common sense to get the hell out of fire 👆
He's lucky Hal was there, otherwise some humiliation was about to ensue.