Rank Silver Surfer Among DCNU Heralds

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
^Everyone there is physically stronger than thor

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Back to the program, it's pretty simple. Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Hyperion, Captain Marvel, they are all portrayed as peers. When ranking them against each other, we have to consider their power sets. Surfer runs away with this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just have a really low self esteem. Calm down.

Originally posted by riv6672
Sheer versatility does it for him.

-calmly laughs at quan-

😂 😂

speaking of shame, how's that person i mentioned at HC? Making any money yet or still doing it for the lulz?

Originally posted by riv6672
speaking of shame, how's that person i mentioned at HC? Making any money yet or still doing it for the lulz?

Originally posted by cdtm
Looks like Surfer was unhurt by Hulk's attack. Being knocked down does not = injured.

You can knock down Juggernaut, too.

Juggernaut gets hurt too.

Juggernaut gets staggered. He still has human biology and relies on his inner ears for balance and such.

But outside of a few very marginal showings (Looking at you, Onslaught), he's always been 100% invulnerable to any physical injury. Superman can beat on him all day, and it would be like you or me hitting a brick wall all day.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well that's just outright untrue. There are plenty of things in Surfer's history that wouldn't qualify as lowballing.

Like? Unless its Thanos, everything else is lowballing for surfer fans. Heck, some argue that Odin oneshotting Surfer is a low showing for him.

You surfer fans are fickle as ****.

You never actually see the state of Henshaw.

Uh, what? He is completely fine and asking if that's the best surfer can do?

There you go.

He's being blasted by Parallax in the panel after he's being blasted by Surfer and him saying "Is that the extent of your power" in and of itself is not indicative of Surfer being totally unable to hurt him.

Of course it is. Surfer was staggered by one of his blasts and he actually thinks that. Henshaw quite literally asks if that's the best Surfer can do.

There is no way to spin it in Surfer's favor.

Ah of course, your denial of Surfer's super speed, right on time...

Its not denial. Cyborg has never displayed superspeed either. Superman has blitzed him on his leisure.

You think dodging a few HV blast is some kind of superspeed when its done by agility?

He's immune to heat, but there's a concussive effect to HV too.

Heh, that's not what you said in the past.

I do question just how HV would fair against him because of his immunity to heat and HV being reflected off of mirrors before, but hey... why risk it if he doesn't have to?

Since when Surfer became Spider-Man and started dodging attacks?

And no, he is not immune to heat.

And I'll answer it for you, he was staggered by the first blast and HV would've damaged him further or defeated him entirely. The writer made it clear that Surfer would be ****ed taking on HV though.

Here is how a actual damaging energy blast works. Mind you Cyborg is more powerful than ever due to apokolptian tech.

Do you not even see the circles you're running in here? You're simultaneously saying that Surfer only did something Kyle couldn't because Kyle was a rookie so it's not impressive while at the same time saying that Kyle did something more impressive than Surfer ever has right before Surfer's feat lol

Yes, experience does matter in storing power. Kyle showed superior energy manipulation by far when he drained Oan power and power cosmic from an amped Thanos and amped Parallax.

Surfer has never done such a feat.

Surfer is impressive as a dumpster for energy though.

I'm sure opinions vary...

But facts don't. Otherwise show me Surfer ever beating Thanos by energy manipulation.

Still groggy and just starting to regain his strength minutes later... if you can't understand that Hulk was KO'd there then there's just no help for you.

Still groggy. Not knocked out or beaten.

Learn to read first.

He knocked Surfer down.. big whoop lol.

He had Surfer on his knees in one attack after overpowering his force field.

Surfer was lucky Hulk didn't follow through on his attacks.

And you're backtracking. You said that Supes had more decisively than Surfer could... that's obviously wrong because Surfer has the most decisive win against Hulk of pretty much any herald level character.

Surfer didn't actually beat Hulk though. Hulk was at best stunned for a few minutes just like Surfer was stunned from just one Hulk punch.

And yes, Superman punching out merged Hulk who was stronger than savage hulk is far more impressive.

Sure it is. It's been debated extensively and even some Thor fans question it's validity.

Nobody cares. Its in print and two of Surfer's most extensive writers showed him losing to Thor twice.

It just stings, doesn't it?

They fought by taking the forms of other characters. He never actually matched Mxy's power, it was "Hulk vs Doomsday" and such.

Seriously? I mean seriously? Did you think they literally became Hulk and Doomsday?

It was their own powers you buffoon.

Guys, no crossovers.

And seriously, try to be more civil. One person has already been banned tonight. Bada is in that kind of mood...

Originally posted by cdtm
Juggernaut gets staggered. He still has human biology and relies on his inner ears for balance and such.

But outside of a few very marginal showings (Looking at you, Onslaught), he's always been 100% invulnerable to any physical injury. Superman can beat on him all day, and it would be like you or me hitting a brick wall all day.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-39.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-40.jpg

^
Proof that was Classic
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-33.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenForever5p18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN322_08b.jpg

^
Proof it was physical
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN322_15a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN218_14b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_14b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_15b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_13a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_14b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN102_13b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Men054p20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force03-20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-0708.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-09.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/WWH_Xmen_3_0025.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/VenomTheMadness03_17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/VenomTheMadness03_18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/TASM629012.jpg

^
Showing he was physically damaged and likely physically knocked out by this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/TASM627023.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Avengers_v3_024_17a.jpg

He stated in the next page he wasn't hurt by this, but we can clearly see him screaming in pain so...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Deadpool_LS2_02_pg18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/DrStrange-18213.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/DrStrange-18214-15.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-05.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk404_10b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk404_14a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/sm16-17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Spider-Woman038-10.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Spider-Woman038-19.jpg

Teleportation:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force_005-01.jpg

Eighth Day Juggernaut:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p30.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p33.jpg

Here's his shield being overloaded and him being stunned.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN033_13b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN033_14a.jpg

I'll file these next couple under the "maybe/probably hurt" folder, as well as combine it with talking about how hard Juggernaut was hit section:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenForever6p02and03.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_17a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_11a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN183_15b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force03-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Deadpool_LS2_02_pg22.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk403_17a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_11b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_12a.jpg

^
He laid there for 5 pages
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_16a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thor_vol2-519-017-21.jpg

And here's two things that indicate a limit to his stamina.
"Last ounce of strength"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p36.jpg

"I can feel him weakening" (also can be filed under probably hurt considering he was weakening under it and was hurt previously by a lesser shot)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-07.jpg

Phoenix:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/phoenixresurrectionrevelations-1_06-07.jpg

He was weaker there admittedly (which will flow into the next thing), but not by much. His durability at the time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/AllNewExilesv1001p18.jpg

And about how powerful the enchantment was at the time he became Kuurth. Well, let's hear the level it was on:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14510.jpg

And his durability that would have simply stacked with Kuurth's.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14623.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14624.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14823.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14905.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15023.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15024.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15029.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15032.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15219.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15311.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15315.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15316.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15318.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15319.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts156014.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts157005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts157006.jpg

Here's Kuurth and a stronger dose of Juggernaut than Thunderbolts Juggy got (coupled with Colossus) hurting each other immensely. Which we assume his durability will stack with the above T-Bolts Juggy.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0010.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0014.jpg

Kuurth was likely to die in the explosion:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0015.jpg

Amped Wolverine:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/FearItself7026.jpg

Have fun with all these scans.

He would be competing for number 1 spot. Top 3 at worst

Top spot.

Bump