Originally posted by PhilThere's also him making Nekron --the universal embodiment of death/oblivion-- his personal slave twice in the same comic. 🙂
Hal killing Krona [amped to shit] with one blast, for example.There's a whole thread on this forum that elaborates on Green Lanterns matching Surfer feat for feat.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Well, if he couldn't overpower him Henshaw, at least he had the common sense to get the hell out of fire 👆He's lucky Hal was there, otherwise some humiliation was about to ensue.
Originally posted by cdtm
He's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful then DC's top heralds.A bloodlusted Surfer should casually one shot Superman, the same way he should casually one shot Thor (Think what Airwalker did in Heroes Reborn. That's exactly how it should be when Norrin unloads on him.)
Huh, what are you talking about? Surfer can't do shit to his peers. His blasts are meaningless on average. Surfer is a beast against fodder or beings below him. But he can't compete with any trans or skyfathers even at his best. Superman and Hal has.
Superman has feats that are above millions of times beyond anything Surfer as done. But I'm just looking at average portrayals.
Anyway, Surfer would be in the top 3 (probably #2). This is being generous. He just jobs too much.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh please, in a story where he outclassed Kyle and even Parallax needed Surfer's power he'd have absolutely wasted Cyborg if the fight hadn't been interupted 😛
I'm not into fan-fiction, sorry.
All Surfer was good for in that story is to almost drop the soap against Cyborg Superman and then be the dumpster after Kyle single-handedly depowers both Parallax and Thanos.
If you want to see how a real top 3 hero handles Cyborg Superman, I'll lend you some Superman scans 😉
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not into fan-fiction, sorry.All Surfer was good for in that story is to almost drop the soap against Cyborg Superman and then be the dumpster after Kyle single-handedly depowers both Parallax and Thanos.
If you want to see how a real top 3 hero handles Cyborg Superman, I'll lend you some Superman scans 😉
Originally posted by darthgoober
OMG, can't mention Surfer and DC in the same sentence without you freaking out and trying to lowball him lol.
What lowball?
The fight between him and Cyborg got interrupted.
Until then Henshaw pretty much laughed at him and him dancing like ballerina to dodge his HV attacks.
Oddly enough, Surfer didn't boast "Hey, I'm impervious to HV. My fans always say so, it must be true".
Surfer did what Kyle couldn't, and as you pointed out he(Kyle) pulled out a pretty good performance in that book.
Surfer only stored the energies which Kyle had already absorbed. Nothing more.
He was a battery.
Their fight in Surfer/GL didn't reach a definite conclusion? I'm not calling you a liar about it, I just thought it did(been a while since I read it though).
Kyle had the advantage over him actually but Surfer was weakened.
Surfer's 2 shotted Hulk, that's more decisive than Supes did. Hell he one shotted him by your definition.
Are you talking about Savage Hulk who was getting beaten up by Namor some issues later and had trouble with armies?
By absorbing his energy. In a raw power fight, Hulk has already trumped Surfer several times like in the fight in The Order, in Sub Mariner 34 etc.
How about Thor though? Hell, how about him and Adam Warlock against Thor?
Originally posted by cdtm
How about what he did to Orion. 🙂And didn't Superman himself claim Surfer was more powerful in their crossover?
Not even close. Superman actually beat up Impossible Man in that crossover who was somehow a peer to Mxy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh please, in a story where he outclassed Kyle and even Parallax needed Surfer's power he'd have absolutely wasted Cyborg if the fight hadn't been interupted 😛
Cyborg vs Superman under Marz.
He is initially weakened by red sun in Kandor. As soon as he gets at full power, he wrecks Cyborg like nothing.
And don't forget Surfer's scintillating performance against parademons.
http://i.imgur.com/oQJAGFn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nWWJGYq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2hnMZD2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EN5PZOl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6mnyPxt.jpg
A few parademons overpowered him.
😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
What lowball?
Hey if you don't understand what it means to lowball, that's on you...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Until then Henshaw pretty much laughed at him and him dancing like ballerina to dodge his HV attacks.Oddly enough, Surfer didn't boast "Hey, I'm impervious to HV. My fans always say so, it must be true".
Henshaw didn't laugh a single time that I can see. So what I'm hearing in regards to the various opinions in regards to Surfer is that if Surfer gets hit in a fight, it's proof that he has no combat speed. If he uses combat speed to dodge, it proof that he can't take the hits being dished out. If he uses versatility to win, it's proof that he can't win a fight strait up. If he doesn't use versatility to win, it's proof he normally fights like a brick... gee he just can't do anything to impress you, huh? And you wonder why everyone says you lowball him every chance you get...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer only stored the energies which Kyle had already absorbed. Nothing more.He was a battery.
So he did something it was specifically shown Kyle couldn't do... right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle had the advantage over him actually but Surfer was weakened.
Very possible, as I said it's been years since I actually read the story. All I remember is that Surfer came away looking more impressive overall. At some point that obviously shifted into thinking it was an outright win, but hey I can admit it when I remember something incorrectly.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you talking about Savage Hulk who was getting beaten up by Namor some issues later and had trouble with armies?
Yup. Surfer beat him more cleanly than Supes did.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By absorbing his energy. In a raw power fight, Hulk has already trumped Surfer several times like in the fight in The Order, in Sub Mariner 34 etc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How about Thor though? Hell, how about him and Adam Warlock against Thor?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion is just a ginger anyway. Brainiac oneshotted him and lightray together and Superman just kicked the shit out of him.Not even close. Superman actually beat up Impossible Man in that crossover who was somehow a peer to Mxy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey if you don't understand what it means to lowball, that's on you...
Everything that doesn't puts Surfer over is lowballing to surfer fans.
Henshaw didn't laugh a single time that I can see.
He outright says "Is this extent of your power?' after shrugging off his blast.
That's basically laughing at his power.
So what I'm hearing in regards to the various opinions in regards to Surfer is that if Surfer gets hit in a fight, it's proof that he has no combat speed. If he uses combat speed to dodge, it proof that he can't take the hits being dished out. If he uses versatility to win, it's proof that he can't win a fight strait up. If he doesn't use versatility to win, it's proof he normally fights like a brick... gee he just can't do anything to impress you, huh? And you wonder why everyone says you lowball him every chance you get...
Surfer dodging a few HV blasts puts his in street level character's categories.
But tell me again why did Surfer dodge HV attacks? Isn't he pretty much immune to HV as per you?
So he did something it was specifically shown Kyle couldn't do... right?
Yes, that he was a rookie and couldn't control that much power. Surfer had experience over him and his entire body being a battery.
Kyle showed superior energy manipulation and did what Surfer has never done.
He actually beat Thanos who was hugely amped to begin with.
Very possible, as I said it's been years since I actually read the story. All I remember is that Surfer came away looking more impressive overall. At some point that obviously shifted into thinking it was an outright win, but hey I can admit it when I remember something incorrectly.
All Surfer received was lip service. He didn't look anymore impressive than Kyle.
Yup. Surfer beat him more cleanly than Supes did./quote]Haha, no.
[quote]No not by absorbing his energy. By strait up KOing him for several minutes with a shot from his surf board. Point is, he's got a more impressive win over Hulk than Supes, when you said that he didn't.
TTA 93 where he hit Hulk with his board? Hulk was never shown koed, he was stated to be groggy.
Hulk had Surfer on his knees in one hit though. And the Hulk Superman fought was explicitly stronger than savage Hulk ever was.
In a single, seriously controversial arc.
Its not a controversial arc at all. Its only among surfer fans though.
