Rank Superman Among Marvel Heralds.

Originally posted by SquallX
Hulk is a one trick pony, the only ones that matter is Surfer and Thor. There unique base abilities makes Hulk useless as hell.

This thread's ranking adds another wrinkle though, in that it factors position in the MU hierarchy both in universe and in RL.
Hulk's position in the MU and with both fans and laymen alike isn't going to oust him from the top 5 just because Supes shows up.

Originally posted by SquallX
Hulk is a one trick pony, the only ones that matter is Surfer and Thor. There unique base abilities makes Hulk useless as hell.

But Marvel consider him as the most powerful being on the planet though. So one trick must not be the case here. Remember, a one trick pony killed Superman by punching him to death. I don't think that comes into play with what we are discussing. Superman will be pretty high in the herald tiering but taking either Thor or Hulk spot, naah.

1. God
2. Superman
3. Every other character in existence

Nah. Batman is much bigger in DC these days in superman's own universe. Watch Batman v. superman if you can't figure it out. Look whose name appears first in the title and who wins their fight. It isn't even close these days.

Inversely Spider-Man is likely the most popular Marvel character. Spider-Man stature from Marvel would not roll over onto D.C. For similar reasons.

I could honestly see marvel making a story where supes is considered a menace like the last movie and then run with that. I think they would do that type of story a lil bit better IMO. that being said I don't think they would make him the top dog (top ten yes)

I don't think Marvel could treat Superman any worse than DC does at the moment. They seem to have lost the very idea of the character.

Originally posted by "Id"
If Marvel somehow acquired Superman...no his stature from DC will not rollover to Marvel. Of that I am positive. Initially he will have a splash impact for being Superman, with readers closely following how Superman reacts to this new world.

But long term, the way Marvel rolls with their events. No I cant see him written the way DC does it.

i think this gets pretty overblown tbh. people seem to feel like any time there is trouble in dc, superman swoops in and single-handedly saves the day. that is....a far cry from the truth. he does tend to be more involved in big events than many of marvel's 'big guns do', but practically speaking, he doesn't play much larger of a role in many events than other heroes do in dc.

that said, there is still a PERCEPTION that superman is THE man in dc, no doubt. and those reasons persist because, as i said, he is not just a comic character, but a pop culture icon and that is something dc has to live up to. were he to head to marvel, that status (the world wide status) wouldn't change--it couldn't change, not unless they fundamentally altered him over years. he's literally older by decades than marvel is. that WOULD play a role in how he was viewed and handled by the company. of that I'M positive.

How can Superman continue be this Icon, when Marvel favors resolutions to be handled with team effort and/or a plot device?

imo if they brought superman into the fold, it would be with the understanding that he would be handled a little differently than others. of course he wouldn't save the day all the time. he doesn't do that now. but, like is often the case now, he'd be on the front lines all the time, and readers would expect him to be--and have the right to expect that, like they do in dc. you seem to be suggesting that marvel would take him only to completely alter what he is. if that's the case why would they bother taking him at all? in this scenario i assume they get him voluntarily. were he FORCED on them, that would be different. actively taking him only to completely change what he represents seems...pretty stupid to me. /shrug

Yes I feel Thor is the go to guy for heavy shit in Marvel. He may not be written as prominent as Superman. But he was conceived partially as a direct response to introduce something greater than Superman, and what would be greater than a Superman how about a God! Something along those lines by Stan Lee.

sure that was part of the impetus for thor, but that doesn't have much baring any more--thor is a shadow of what he was at that time and like i said, you can't be the heavy hitter if you never take a frontline role in major events. that's a gap that superman could fill in marvel. even if he wasn't THE most powerful, he could still fill that role. taking him would seem to imply that is what they would be looking for.

No I am not excited about Legion. I will watch it. But I expect nothing.

grump. i think it looks pretty good and given the other series on netflix i'm kind of excited about it....

Originally posted by leonidas
i think this gets pretty overblown tbh. people seem to feel like any time there is trouble in dc, superman swoops in and single-handedly saves the day. that is....a far cry from the truth. he does tend to be more involved in big events than many of marvel's 'big guns do', but practically speaking, he doesn't play much larger of a role in many events than other heroes do in dc.

Well, yes and no.

Obviously he isn't the central character in all major events, but certainly more than others.

He certainly wasn't the focus of COIE, Zero Hour, Blackest Night, SCW, or Flashpoint. Nor was he the focus of most of Final Crisis. And now that I type that, it feels more like you're right, but I'm going to continue anyways.

He felt more involved in IC because characters like SBP and Alexander Luthor are sort of tied to him.

And then there are the events that were definitely all about the man of steel: Death of Superman (where everyone else was too much of a b*tch to stay conscious), OWAW, and Superman Beyond (certainly the biggest threat in FC, albeit a brief one). Also going for him is that he's the de facto leader of the Justice League, it's usually him facing down the likes of Darkseid, etc.

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That said, both companies are too entrenched in tradition. Supes would waste away like Sentry or Hyperion in Marvel, never taking a pivotal role.

Originally posted by Cogito
Supes would waste away like Sentry or Hyperion in Marvel, never taking a pivotal role.

possible i suppose, but again, given the hypothetical situation of this question, where they voluntarily take him, why would they bother if they were simply going to relegate him to the back burner? makes no sense in the context of the thread. i think power-wise he'd be at or near the top and i think he'd assume a much larger role than that. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
possible i suppose, but again, given the hypothetical situation of this question, where they voluntarily take him, why would they bother if they were simply going to relegate him to the back burner? makes no sense in the context of the thread. i think power-wise he'd be at or near the top and i think he'd assume a much larger role than that. /shrug

Meh, OP didn't specify why Marvel would get Superman. Maybe they won a bet and took him for spite?

well, that would obviously change things. assuming they took him voluntarily, it makes no real sense to take him, then simply squash him. /shrug

Besides him being Superman, an icon, what unique factor would he bring to Marvel. Marvel literally have Superman like characters and still rely on Thor and Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Besides him being Superman, an icon, what unique factor would he bring to Marvel. Marvel literally have Superman like characters and still rely on Thor and Hulk.

Originally posted by Cogito
Maybe that explains why the universe gets blown up every other year and they've only had like, one good event in the past 20 years mmm

Don't get it. That doesn't change what I said. If it was that simple...to just put Superman in that spot to stop the world from blowing up, that's all they had to do was throw Hyperion in that spot. I'm asking, what would he bring to the table that they don't already have?

Originally posted by carver9
Besides him being Superman, an icon, what unique factor would he bring to Marvel. Marvel literally have Superman like characters and still rely on Thor and Hulk.

Superman like =/= Superman.

Your lack of understanding of why they don't work in Marvel just shows how little you know of Superman by comparison.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman like =/= Superman.

Your lack of understanding of why they don't work in Marvel just shows how little you know of Superman by comparison.

Indeed.

This is kind of unfair towards Carver. He makes a valid point.
Characters do what the writers want.
If Marvel truly wanted a Supes clone to do the heavy lifting in the MU, it would have happened already.
Aside from BEING Superman, Supes doesnt bring a vastly different power set with him. He brings that power set at a higher level than most, but, the MU isnt DC, where he's automatically the first line of defense.
Different problems, different approaches...he'd be a fine asset but wouldnt be solving every problem.

Superman would sit in the group with top guys like Hulk , Thor etc and who ever is around at the time. He'd take centre stage when the story calls for it.

Top 5 if not top 3. He's got the power + the prestige, the latter not only in real life (something writers should consider IMO) but among the comic heroes themselves. Even Marvel heroes have recognized him for the icon he is (eg, Superman/FF crossover); and writers I feel should incorporate this status into any Marvel stories.

In a nutshell, he could be (or close to being) the inspiration to heroes in Marvel that he is in DC, or that Captain America is in Marvel.

He should not be #1 if just out of respect for Marvel's regular hero pantheon.