Cybertron Vs Krypton Vs Asgard + Svartalfheim

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Unless it's a planet of Kryptonians on a planet that's near a yellow Sun then it's Asgard all day here.

We saw Thor run from a Vulcan cannon. Every Transformer's gun is at least that caliber.

And you've got jet's and helicopters and giant dinosaurs running around.

Transformers I think are getting underestimated.

Originally posted by KingD19
We saw Thor run from a Vulcan cannon. Every Transformer's gun is at least that caliber.

To be fair, he still knew virtually nothing about Earth at that point. He'd previously been there while depowered, so didn't really know how Earth weapons stacked up to Asgard. Case in point, just a few hours earlier he'd tried to squash Cap. Also, he got caught in Ultron's fire, during the QS death scene in AoU, without being hurt (if you look carefully at the 0:05 - 0:06 mark, it looks like at least one round hits him in the left shoulder):

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True. But he had his armor on. And Loki as well as Sif have shown that Asgardian armor is bullet proof. And a split second where we kinda see it isn't really all that definitive. We've seen Thor run from a gun, and that's about it. And even though he was new to Earth, he knew enough to jump out of the way despite never seeing one before.

Transformers also have things like rust cannons, plasma cannons, orbital strikes(courtesy of Soundwave), etc...

But the most important thing is that Thor is on a much higher class than pretty much everyone else except Odin. We can't give regular soldiers(who went down to swords and energy blasts) his feats.

Originally posted by KingD19
True. But he had his armor on. And Loki as well as Sif have shown that Asgardian armor is bullet proof. And a split second where we kinda see it isn't really all that definitive. We've seen Thor run from a gun, and that's about it. And even though he was new to Earth, he knew enough to jump out of the way despite never seeing one before.

His armour doesn't cover all of him, and Ultron peppered the spot he was standing. Also, why would you not avoid something that might very well hurt you? It's not like he is new to projectile weapons in general. Asgard has laser cannons. Either way, we have no solid idea of whether a Vulcan cannon could in fact seriously hurt him. Iron Man got hit by similar fire, from a jet, (and even got hit by a tank shell) in IM1. And without sustaining anything more than superficial damage, but I highly doubt the Mark 3 is more durable than Thor is.

Originally posted by KingD19
True. But he had his armor on. And Loki as well as Sif have shown that Asgardian armor is bullet proof. And a split second where we kinda see it isn't really all that definitive. We've seen Thor run from a gun, and that's about it. And even though he was new to Earth, he knew enough to jump out of the way despite never seeing one before.

Transformers also have things like rust cannons, plasma cannons, orbital strikes(courtesy of Soundwave), etc...

But the most important thing is that Thor is on a much higher class than pretty much everyone else except Odin. We can't give regular soldiers(who went down to swords and energy blasts) his feats.

Loki also got shot in the face and didn't even get a scratch.

Besides, humans take cover from rain all the time. Doesn't mean rain can injure us.

Loki is a Frost Giant. Can't give Asgardians his feats. The only Asgardians on screen to be shot or shot at, have never been hit. Only dodged or had it deflected by their armor.

Originally posted by KingD19
Loki is a Frost Giant. Can't give Asgardians his feats. The only Asgardians on screen to be shot or shot at, have never been hit. Only dodged or had it deflected by their armor.

If Loki had been more durable than a regular Asgardian, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed in the millennia he's lived with them.

Fact is no human weapon, gun or otherwise has ever hurt an Asgardian.

Is there any actual proof that Thor can be seriously injured by bullets or is this just H1 level speculation?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is there any actual proof that Thor can be seriously injured by bullets or is this just H1 level speculation?

We're friends, Silent. But if you ever compare me to H1 again, we probably won't be. That's like, really disrespectful.

I'm just pointing out that Transformer bullets are pretty huge on average. Like bigger than 50 cal even judging by some of the bullet shells they've dropped. And they've got stuff like Megatron's pulse cannon which sent Optimus flying with a single blast. Or Sentinel Prime's rust gun which turned Ironhide to scrap in less than a minute.

And Thor has only on screen dodged bullets, while Sif has been hit in her armor or used her shield, and Loki took a few rifle shots to the armor and face.

So my point is, Thor has never been seen being immune to bullets, especially bullets which are bigger than he is. I just don't want people to think Thor can fly through everything the TF's throw at him.

Also Froth, Cybertronians are not human. Pistols from them are larger calibers than most heavy duty weaponry.

His lightning and Mjolnir will cause trouble though.

Actually, Asgard gets all it's artifacts. That should win it for them. Casket of Ancient Winters. Destroyer Armor(and no way to bounce it's beam back). Bitfrost. Reality Stone and Space Stone.

You're right, that H1 comment was out of line. I apologize.

Originally posted by KingD19

Also Froth, Cybertronians are not human. Pistols from them are larger calibers than most heavy duty weaponry.

Correct. So why are you comparing human made weapons to them? *shrugs*

I never doubted that Cybertronian weapons will hurt the Asgardians, I'm just reacting to you mentioning how Thor dove for cover from gunfire and assumed that's because he can get injured by it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, the Asgardians just unleash their Bifrost portal on Krypton and destroy it. Only Asgard has a planet destroying weapon on hand. Or the Asgardians just teleport themselves on Krypton and slaughter the Kryptonians, considering that the Kryptonians aren't superpowered on their own planet.

Proof that they have a weapon to destroy planets and proof that it is in their character (Odin) to use it? And why would the kryptonians fight on their planet when raging a war against another world?

If the war is near a yellow sun then the krptonians win, otherwise the asgardians.

Originally posted by h1a8
Proof that they have a weapon to destroy planets and proof that it is in their character (Odin) to use it? And why would the kryptonians fight on their planet when raging a war against another world?

Watch the first Thor movie. The world-destroying weapon is the entire focus of the third act.

I like how h1 just proved that he hasn't watched the movies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how h1 just proved that he hasn't watched the movies.

I'm almost convinced that he just watches trailers and reads plot summaries online. Because he knows enough about the movie to know the general plot but is ignorant on so many details.

Yeah, I really don't see how the "I don't remember small details" argument can hold up here. There is no way that anyone who actually watched Thor could forget a key part of the plot (Loki's plan), that took place during the climax of the film. Well, unless they have some memory disability.

The Asgardians would tear through the Transformers like butter