Cybertron Vs Krypton Vs Asgard + Svartalfheim

Started by Darkstorm Zero7 pages

Originally posted by FrothByte
You'd have had a point if Heimdall, Thor and Loki didn't explicitly say that it would destroy the Frost Giant world. You only saw the surface getting destroyed because that was what was visible. What wete you expecting, an X-ray snapshot of how deep the bifrost was cutting through their world? Their world didn't get destroyed because Thor stopped the bifrost before it could cause too much damage.

Let me try this from a different angle: Do you believe that had Thor not stopped the Bifrost, then it would have completely annihilated the Frost Giants?

Oh..... Yep, so we are still entering speculative territory because of character statement. Look, you cannot prove either way that it would have destroyed the planet.

Destroying the Frost giants doesn't mean that it destroys their planet ala Unicron or the Death Star. Skinning the planet accomplishes the same thing, without ramping the magnitude up to 11 needlessly without sufficient evidence.

Allow ME to put it another way. You cannot quantify how Bifrost would theoretically destroy a world, because we do not see it done. We've seen the small scale that Thor stopped. You can try and scale up from that, but in the end that is still speculative. Now, you can stop dickwaving "Planet Killing Bifrost" around, because unless you can quantify that, it is meaningless.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh..... Yep, so we are still entering speculative territory because of character statement. Look, you cannot prove either way that it would have destroyed the planet.

Destroying the Frost giants doesn't mean that it destroys their planet ala Unicron or the Death Star. Skinning the planet accomplishes the same thing, without ramping the magnitude up to 11 needlessly without sufficient evidence.

Allow ME to put it another way. You cannot quantify how Bifrost would theoretically destroy a world, because we do not see it done. We've seen the small scale that Thor stopped. You can try and scale up from that, but in the end that is still speculative. Now, you can stop dickwaving "Planet Killing Bifrost" around, because unless you can quantify that, it is meaningless.

So do you or do you not believe that the bifrost would have killed all the frost giants if Thor had not stopped it?

Second question: Does that mean you don't believe that the world engine in MOS could actually terraform the Earth? After all, it was never shown to do so.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So do you or do you not believe that the bifrost would have killed all the frost giants if Thor had not stopped it?

Second question: Does that mean you don't believe that the world engine in MOS could actually terraform the Earth? After all, it was never shown to do so.

#1: This proves that you dont read. go back and reread my previous post

#2: Irrelevant, but no. We know it alters gravity, we saw that. But we do not know what else was involved with the proccess.

Tbf the world engine was explained in detail as opposed to the vague statements about the bifrost.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: This proves that you dont read. go back and reread my previous post

#2: Irrelevant, but no. We know it alters gravity, we saw that. But we do not know what else was involved with the proccess.

#1: You were unclear with your answer and non committal. I'm just trying to clarify if you believe it would have annihilated the frost giants. Because of you say yes, then at least we can agree that the bifrost can annihilate the Kryptonians on their home world.

#2: So you don't believe the world engine could actually have done what it was supposed to do. Gotcha. Do you also not think that Galactus could have fed off the Earth in Rise of the surfer?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Tbf the world engine was explained in detail as opposed to the vague statements about the bifrost.

They talked about it more and it was allowed to run longer but in the end nothing was said about it that would make us trust what it does more than the bifrost. I mean, could you tell me how exactly it was supposed to terraform the Earth?

Originally posted by FrothByte
#1: You were unclear with your answer and non committal. I'm just trying to clarify if you believe it would have annihilated the frost giants. Because of you say yes, then at least we can agree that the bifrost can annihilate the Kryptonians on their home world.

Are you f@cking serious here Froth? Look:

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Destroying the Frost Giants doesn't mean that it destroys their planet ala Unicron or the Death Star. Skinning the planet accomplishes the same thing, without ramping the magnitude up to 11 needlessly without sufficient evidence.

This is an EXACTING answer to what you asked. Don't even tell me you read it and did not damn well just repeat yourself just to annoy me.

Originally posted by FrothByte
#2: So you don't believe the world engine could actually have done what it was supposed to do. Gotcha. Do you also not think that Galactus could have fed off the Earth in Rise of the surfer?

Enough. You are reaching deep now, and you are stretched thin as it is. You already screwed up one point, don't overplay and start the bullsh!t train now

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Are you f@cking serious here Froth? Look:

This is an EXACTING answer to what you asked. Don't even tell me you read it and did not damn well just repeat yourself just to annoy me.

Enough. You are reaching deep now, and you are stretched thin as it is. You already screwed up one point, don't overplay and start the bullsh!t train now

All i'm doing is applying your logic.If you feel like it's "reaching deep" that's because your logic is also reaching. Trying to make some distinction between destroying the surface of a planet vs destroying the planet seems very strawmanny to me and adds nothing to the discussion here.

It seems you keep avoiding the question. I mean, you have the patience to write "Are you f@cking serious" yet somehow you can't simply answer with a yes or no. Let me make it simpler for you:

Do you believe that the Bifrost can annihilate the Kryptonians?

Originally posted by h1a8
No he wasn't. Odin had awakened.
Even if he was then Odin would still be in the battle for this fight. It's even against Thor's character as well. You are truly insane.

You clearly don't have a very good grasp of these movies, do you? The ending of Thor: The Dark World:

YouTube video

LOL at calling me "insane" because you can't remember stuff from the movies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The OP says it's all out war, didn't you read it?

It seems that he hasn't watched the 2nd Thor film either, because he didn't even know that Loki had secretly taken the thrown at the end.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You clearly don't have a very good grasp of these movies, do you? The ending of Thor: The Dark World:

YouTube video

LOL at calling me "insane" because you can't remember stuff from the movies.

To be fair, you can't expect him to remember things from a movie he's never seen.

oops, my bad that was rob that said that to me, thus I return to my previous statement that the asgardians own this fight

Originally posted by Silent Master
To be fair, you can't expect him to remember things from a movie he's never seen.

Yeah, that's the thing. There is an occasional slip-up or two, and then there is constantly getting things wrong about the films in question. It's hard to believe his claims about having seen all these films when he repeatedly has to be corrected. I haven't actually watched the 2nd Thor film since right after it came out, yet I could remember that ending very clearly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
All i'm doing is applying your logic.If you feel like it's "reaching deep" that's because your logic is also reaching. Trying to make some distinction between destroying the surface of a planet vs destroying the planet seems very strawmanny to me and adds nothing to the discussion here.

It seems you keep avoiding the question. I mean, you have the patience to write "Are you f@cking serious" yet somehow you can't simply answer with a yes or no. Let me make it simpler for you:

Do you believe that the Bifrost can annihilate the Kryptonians?

Wrong. Both the examples you've used have had extensive explanation on how it works.in the case of Galactus, we have the background. And if it sounds like a Strawman, then why do people claim "Planet busta" immediately? Thats immediately going for the high speculation rather than the reasonable mid level.

I never avoided it. I answered it directly and even requoted it. It's not my fault you refuse to read and I'm not repeating myself just to satisfy your ego.

I believe it can churn up the surface of krypton, and yes that will result in the deaths of the vast majority of the population, but those who get off the surface will wreck havoc. Considering the Kryptonians are now fully sun powered, this is a non issue.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wrong. Both the examples you've used have had extensive explanation on how it works.in the case of Galactus, we have the background. And if it sounds like a Strawman, then why do people claim "Planet busta" immediately? Thats immediately going for the high speculation rather than the reasonable mid level.

I never avoided it. I answered it directly and even requoted it. It's not my fault you refuse to read and I'm not repeating myself just to satisfy your ego.

I believe it can churn up the surface of krypton, and yes that will result in the deaths of the vast majority of the population, but those who get off the surface will wreck havoc. Considering the Kryptonians are now fully sun powered, this is a non issue.

Wait, how are they sun powered?

Am I missing something?

Sorry skipped halfway thru the thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It was destroying the planet. Had they left it on it would have continued destroying it.
In what sense? In the sense that it would be left a barren wasteland? Because IIRC we didn't see it do anything to indicate it would have completely destroyed the planet until there was no planet left.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And do you have proof of this or speculation on your part?
It's the other way around friend. You're the one asserting it was destroying the entire planet when, as far as I'm aware, there is no indication that this is the case.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And their technology was never shown to do that.
Their technology terraformed planets, which does in fact require doing that.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wait, how are they sun powered?

Am I missing something?

Sorry skipped halfway thru the thread.

The OP and the thread author wanted them solar powered, apparently.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The OP and the thread author wanted them solar powered, apparently.

Pls quote where he said that, tho. I can't find it anywhere. Granted I may have missed it.