Kingdom Come Superman Vs Hyperion

Originally posted by golem370
I repeat somebody who survives a universal destroying should not even notice an attack by Superman because that is an abstract level feat and I mean top level abstract feat.

Assuming this is true, then no one Galactus level or below could cause him to notice. But he's been hurt plenty of times by stuff astronomically weaker.

You basically using the highest feat he has as his exact power level in a forum. If so then he beats Thanos. Do you agree?

Well Superman held a black hole and survived in a double black hole. Did you know black holes exert infinite force at the singularity? That would mean Superman >>>>>>>>>Hyperion.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
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Originally posted by h1a8
Assuming this is true, then no one Galactus level or below could cause him to notice. But he's been hurt plenty of times by stuff astronomically weaker.

You basically using the highest feat he has as his exact power level in a forum. If so then he beats Thanos. Do you agree?

Well Superman held a black hole and survived in a double black hole. Did you know black holes exert infinite force at the singularity? That would mean Superman >>>>>>>>>Hyperion.

Actually I think it is silly just like all the ridiculous feats out there that should not be brought up. These herald level beings doing high level abstract stuff makes me cringe.

unless i'm misunderstanding you, it is for instances like that that pis exists. you've been here long enough to know the difference. i guess that means that cap should be able to ko firelord, right, because spiderman did it, and it is the exact same logic you are employing here. aside from the obvious outlier rule, there is the very real understanding that said hyperion feat has never been fully explained. there are a lot of reasons that feat and others like it should never be used to generalize and none of those reasons should ever need to be explained to anyone who has been part of the forum for more than 5 minutes.

Originally posted by leonidas
unless i'm misunderstanding you, it is for instances like that that pis exists. you've been here long enough to know the difference. i guess that means that cap should be able to ko firelord, right, because spiderman did it, and it is the exact same logic you are employing here. aside from the obvious outlier rule, there is the very real understanding that said hyperion feat has never been fully explained. there are a lot of reasons that feat and others like it should never be used to generalize and none of those reasons should ever need to be explained to anyone who has been part of the forum for more than 5 minutes.

People don't seriously argue Cap can beat Firelord? 🙂

I agree. Too many one off/obviously nonsensical feats get accepted where they should be dismissed.

Originally posted by Galan007
KC Superman easily, tbh.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
How is it wrong? So again do you think Hyperion's durability is abstract level and universal busting and nothing short of a universe busting blast can hurt him? YES OR NO? How am I dismissing it? Clearly there was context as you know 99.99% of his showings completely contradict tanking the 2 "universe" exploding blasts. Since when do we go by just high showings again regardless if he did or not? Answer...we don't. Average and his average is much lower

haha what? I'm a Superman fanboy now and bash other characters demeaning their feats? Have proof of this?

You are dismissing a high showing because Hyperion has been hurt by far less. You basically said there had to be context to the showing because he has been hurt by less than Universal power. That is when I said you need to apply this to every character, not just Hyperion. That's when I brought up Thanos and Superman. They have been hurt by far less than planetary power output. Are you or are you not applying the context rule to every character?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Or more then likely he truely didn't tank a universe busting feat. He has no other showingns to support that and has far more showings putting his durability much lower

If he truely did NO ONE should affect him but we clearly know that's not true

Read your post please. Thing has hurt WWH but this same Hulk while weakened tanked an attack that split a planet in half. Let me guess, there was context to that showing as well. No one debates like this.

Originally posted by carver9
You are dismissing a high showing because Hyperion has been hurt by far less. You basically said there had to be context to the showing because he has been hurt by less than Universal power. That is when I said you need to apply this to every character, not just Hyperion. That's when I brought up Thanos and Superman. They have been hurt by far less than planetary power output. Are you or are you not applying the context rule to every character?

😂

Superman wins, easily.

Originally posted by carver9
You are dismissing a high showing because Hyperion has been hurt by far less. You basically said there had to be context to the showing because he has been hurt by less than Universal power. That is when I said you need to apply this to every character, not just Hyperion. That's when I brought up Thanos and Superman. They have been hurt by far less than planetary power output. Are you or are you not applying the context rule to every character?

Where did I dismiss it?....my original post notice I said more then likely as in it's not definitive as in an option to explain his other showings

Originally posted by -K-M-
Or more then likely he truely didn't tank a universe busting feat. He has no other showingns to support that and has far more showings putting his durability much lower

If he truely did NO ONE should affect him but we clearly know that's not true

So again what feats has he had to justify to be able to tank 2 universe exploding? Seriously. Back it up to justify it. Notice you're the ONLY one saying Hyperion wins and Golam which he said only universe busting powers should affect him which is not true and that is what is being discussed

So do we just go by high showings? No. When he has 99.99% showings that contradict that "high" showing do you automatically ignore his majority of his showings and just go by the one? No. That's faulty logic. Yes they have been hurt by less, and as I said a few times we go by AVERAGES. You have a habit for your pet characters just go by their high showings, ignore their low and the characters going against your characters you try to use just low showings against them and ignore their highs. Hence, we go by averages. If 99.99% of his showings contradict the universe busting showing is it logical to assume oh yet he took the full force?? The answer is no....a class 5 hurricane is incredibly destructive, but when your in the eye of the storm its significant less. Which COULD have happened and more logical. Did I say that's exactly what happened? No. But when his other showings don't support said one showing it becomes suspect and open for debate.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Or more then likely he truely didn't tank a universe busting feat. He has no other showingns to support that and has far more showings putting his durability much lower

If he truely did NO ONE should affect him but we clearly know that's not true

And yet he's been ko'd by Nebula's weapon and a living suit of armor. And owned by earthworms.

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Originally posted by carver9
Read your post please. Thing has hurt WWH but this same Hulk while weakened tanked an attack that split a planet in half. Let me guess, there was context to that showing as well. No one debates like this.

And?...what don't you get about averages? We don't just go by high showings or low showings we go by averages. This is basic stuff.

Golam was arguing nothing sort of 2 universe busting could affect him. We know that's not true. If again 99.99% contradict that one showing are we just assume there is no context and take it face value when logically makes no sense? The answer is no

Common sense is not so common.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure how this stacks up with his universe blowing up in his face. But....

And yet he's been ko'd by Nebula's weapon and a living suit of armor. And owned by earthworms.

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Yep. again....averages

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yep. again....averages

Averages seem to work for all characters except when Superman is involved. This is when his more ardent fans jump out of their woks, and only talk about his high of highs, while arguing that these are his average, even after seeing him get stomped by an ersatz Predator (or many of his not so high showings). Just wanted to make mention of this, because I have attempted to debate using averages only to get the highest showings argued.

Originally posted by Stoic
Averages seem to work for all characters except when Superman is involved. This is when his more ardent fans jump out of their woks, and only talk about his high of highs, while arguing that these are his average, even after seeing him get stomped by an ersatz Predator (or many of his not so high showings). Just wanted to make mention of this, because I have attempted to debate using averages only to get the highest showings argued.

Originally posted by Stoic
Averages seem to work for all characters except when Superman is involved. This is when his more ardent fans jump out of their woks, and only talk about his high of highs, while arguing that these are his average, even after seeing him get stomped by an ersatz Predator (or many of his not so high showings). Just wanted to make mention of this, because I have attempted to debate using averages only to get the highest showings argued.

By me? and no Superman applies to averages too. I actually said multiple times his bench pressing the earth for 3 days feat was silly

Originally posted by carver9
That's not what I am saying. I accept fights more than anything.

That's unfair. Let's use feats.

Mains electricity does this to Hype:

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Originally posted by -K-M-
And?...what don't you get about averages? We don't just go by high showings or low showings we go by averages. This is basic stuff.

Golam was arguing nothing sort of 2 universe busting could affect him. We know that's not true. If again 99.99% contradict that one showing are we just assume there is no context and take it face value when logically makes no sense? The answer is no

Common sense is not so common.

SMH...K.M, let's stay on topic. You're argument is going all over the place. We are not discussing averages here. Your post states Hyperion ft shouldn't be taken into consideration and must have context due to him being hurt by less. This doesn't have a thing to do with averages. You're outright dismissing his showing due to him being hurt by less power. Anyone knows this isn't Hyperion average power level. That's not the argument because I agree with that part. What I don't agree with is you dismissing the ft because he has been hurt by less. It's a high showing, not an average, a high showing that should NOT BE dismissed. Yes, the showing means nothing in this fight because, yes, it's a high showing but it still belongs to the character. So on average, Superman can hurt and possibly beat Hyperion but we shouldn't dismiss his fts.

I'm giving Hyperion the edge due to his overall power. He has shown to be consistently above this version of Superman imo and no, his Universal showing isn't the reason I'm saying this. It's part of the reason but not the entirety. Like you saI'd, we have to weigh in the averages.

Originally posted by Stoic
Averages seem to work for all characters except when Superman is involved. This is when his more ardent fans jump out of their woks, and only talk about his high of highs, while arguing that these are his average, even after seeing him get stomped by an ersatz Predator (or many of his not so high showings). Just wanted to make mention of this, because I have attempted to debate using averages only to get the highest showings argued.

Yep. Which is the reason I brought him up in my post. People here are hilarious.