Am I known to discredit a feat for the sake of doing it? No. I said a possible explanation to make it jive with the rest of his history as it's such an outlier. Never said it was fact. Actually repeated that point several times now and reiterated the average and Hyperion does not generally operate at those levels. He has more showings much much much lower then that showing if we want to take it as face value
Originally posted by -K-M-
Am I known to discredit a feat for the sake of doing it? No. I said a possible explanation to make it jive with the rest of his history as it's such an outlier. Never said it was fact. Actually repeated that point several times now and reiterated the average and Hyperion does not generally operate at those levels. He has more showings much much much lower then that showing if we want to take it as face value
But trying to explain it that way is basically saying he never achieved the feat. Yes it is an outlier. Yes it isn't how he's regularly portrayed. Yes it isn't his average. But it happened. Anything that tries to discredit by using things like "he doesn't usually operate like that" or "there may be something in the feat that shows he didn't tank such forces" just doesn't jive with me. Also what does his other feats have to do with that one? I believe we should just compartmentalize that feat and accept it without having to throw shade.
I may have missed something, but where does it show that Carver is saying that nothing short of a universe blowing up in his face can beat him?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty sure Carver is not saying that Hype can walk around with universe(s) blowing up in his face or man handling beyonders on the regular. He's simply saying not to discredit Hype's high showings or simply throw them away.
This is exactly what I was saying. It's sad that people read what they want to read because of the person who's posting it. Like they skim over my posts and if this is happening, it's best not to reply to me.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I also said there COULD be additional context with the two universes exploding feat due to being in the eye of the storm and his other feats do not match up with it. Never said that's what happen but based on his other showings seems more logical
This is the part I have a problem with. This is what started our debate.
Originally posted by carver9
What Darksaint (please stop quoting him) don't get is, a high showing is a high showing. Just because someone has been hurt by far less doesn't mean that we take away their high showing. It happened. Do we use it as an average in debates, no, but it still exist. It's like take away Surfer surviving in the heart of a black hole due to him getting knocked out by far less. It's boarder line trolling tbh.
Here is my post celey from 2 pages ago. I never said we take high showings as a person's power level.
Originally posted by cdtm
Either he can tank exploding unjverses to the face, or he can't.
Hulk withstood punches that shook an infinite amount of dimensions and he was dishing it out as well. Would I be right to go in a thread and say nothing short of infinity is hurting Hulk or withstanding his punches? This is the most simplistic debate I have had on KMC.
Originally posted by carver9
SMH...K.M, let's stay on topic. You're argument is going all over the place. We are not discussing averages here. Your post states Hyperion ft shouldn't be taken into consideration and must have context due to him being hurt by less. This doesn't have a thing to do with averages. You're outright dismissing his showing due to him being hurt by less power. Anyone knows this isn't Hyperion average power level. That's not the argument because I agree with that part. What I don't agree with is you dismissing the ft because he has been hurt by less. It's a high showing, not an average, a high showing that should NOT BE dismissed. Yes, the showing means nothing in this fight because, yes, it's a high showing but it still belongs to the character. So on average, Superman can hurt and possibly beat Hyperion but we shouldn't dismiss his fts.I'm giving Hyperion the edge due to his overall power. He has shown to be consistently above this version of Superman imo and no, his Universal showing isn't the reason I'm saying this. It's part of the reason but not the entirety. Like you saI'd, we have to weigh in the averages.
Here is another post 3 pages back begging this man to understand, but he just wouldn't get it. Darksaint, he is just in the background talking and disagreeing with me because he is use to doing it.
Originally posted by carver9
This is exactly what I was saying. It's sad that people read what they want to read because of the person who's posting it. Like they skim over my posts and if this is happening, it's best not to reply to me.
Originally posted by carver9
Scans of him tanking 2 Universes of power.
Nobody is reading into anything. You really should read what you post.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No. U are known more for animal cruelty.But trying to explain it that way is basically saying he never achieved the feat. Yes it is an outlier. Yes it isn't how he's regularly portrayed. Yes it isn't his average. But it happened. Anything that tries to discredit by using things like "he doesn't usually operate like that" or "there may be something in the feat that shows he didn't tank such forces" just doesn't jive with me. Also what does his other feats have to do with that one? I believe we should just compartmentalize that feat and accept it without having to throw shade.
I may have missed something, but where does it show that Carver is saying that nothing short of a universe blowing up in his face can beat him?
again where did I say ignore it? I said POSSIBLE explanation, not a fact not once but going on like 5 times and as per the original debate that was not or ever his average. Not sure why you automatically want to take things face value especially when the rest of his history doesn't jive with it
that was golem. See that's the problem when people jump into random debates not knowing the facts. It all started with golem, which is what we were all replying to and then carver came in completely misrepresenting the debate which again everyone sans you and carver easily understood what I was saying
Originally posted by cdtm
Nobody is reading into anything. You really should read what you post.
Scans of BLACK ADAM tanking 2 universes of power. Read a thread before quoting me. If Black Adam did do it, I wouldn't dismiss it. It would be a high showing just like it would be a high showing for Hyperion ft. Does that mean he can stand in one spot and tanked hits from Galactus, no.
Originally posted by cdtm
Either he can tank exploding universes to the face, or he can't.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk withstood punches that shook an infinite amount of dimensions and he was dishing it out as well. Would I be right to go in a thread and say nothing short of infinity is hurting Hulk or withstanding his punches? This is the most simplistic debate I have had on KMC.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So can he, or can he not?Simple question. Yes or no.
I know carver can't see, so someone else can ask it. Just a yes or no answer, no additional comments (he will try to wriggle out of it, and deflect).
There you go Saint. He can now see
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Can he or can he not what?
Tank exploding universes in the face.
If he can't, then...we're kinda arguing about nothing, lol. We all agree, in a forum fight where averages reign, that it's NOT his average (as carver has said, and we all agree) so we can leave it. Golem should never have brought it up, and we can all move on.
If he can, well....
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's a waste of a post or reply. I'm not answering that mess because my post is going over his head. Completely over it.
A mess? It's a yes or no lol.