Originally posted by carver9
SMH...K.M, let's stay on topic. You're argument is going all over the place. We are not discussing averages here. Your post states Hyperion ft shouldn't be taken into consideration and must have context due to him being hurt by less. This doesn't have a thing to do with averages. You're outright dismissing his showing due to him being hurt by less power. Anyone knows this isn't Hyperion average power level. That's not the argument because I agree with that part. What I don't agree with is you dismissing the ft because he has been hurt by less. It's agree green high showing, not an average, agree green high showing that should NOT BE dismissed. Yes, the showing means nothing in this fight because, yes, it's a high showing but it still belongs to the character. So on average, Superman can hurt and possibly beat Hyperion but we shouldn't dismiss his fts.I'm giving Hyperion the edge due to his overall power. He has shown to be consistently above this version of Superman imo and no, his Universal showing isn't the reason I'm saying this. It's part of the reason but not the entirety. Like you saI'd, we have to weigh in the averages.
We were always talking about averages 😬. Keep up. Golam was saying since he can tank 2 universe busting blasts then NOTHING should affect him. Many of us said no that's not true as much much lower has affected him. Then you jumped in with your faulty logic. Read Golam's post, hence why the averages have been coming up as he was ONLY going by that one high showing which again his 99.99% showings completely contradict that one showing and the 2 universe busting feat doesn't jive hence why a valid explanation is the eye of the storm theory. Is that definitive what happened? I don't know, but based on Hyperion's other showings seems far more logical. He even said he had abstract level durability? Do you agree with that?
If his history doesn't support that ONE SHOWING do you take that completely as face value? No because he has no other showings to support it. You just really want it to be true, but his showings don't jive with it hence why it's open for debate. However, Golam as mentioned was ONLY going by that one showing hence why the AVERAGE argument was coming up.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Or more then likely he truely didn't tank a universe busting feat. He has no other showingns to support that and has far more showings putting his durability much lowerIf he truely did NO ONE should affect him but we clearly know that's not true
Read your post please. Please read it.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually I think you need to learn basic comprehension skills 😬
Sasquash didn't withstand Hulk punch. He doesn't have the showings to support this and has far less showings putting his durability much lower.
If he truly did withstand Hulk punches, no one under Hulk power should affect him.
What does this mean to you KM.? Read the above and tell me what you get from it.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Or more then likely he truely didn't tank a universe busting feat. He has no other showingns to support that and has far more showings putting his durability much lowerIf he truely did NO ONE should affect him but we clearly know that's not true
Are you....are you trying to suggest, KM, that due to Hype having far more showings putting his durability lower, the average is.....lower than a universe buster????
So the average of 100, 1,2 and 4 is.....more like 27???
Originally posted by carver9
Sasquash didn't withstand Hulk punch. He doesn't have the showings to support this and has far less showings putting his durability much lower.If he truly did withstand Hulk punches, no one under Hulk power should affect him.
What does this mean to you KM.? Read the above and tell me what you get from it.
Except Sas has quite a few showings to suggest he can 🙂
Faultiest analogy ever. Especially when going up against KM, who possibly has the greatest (i.e. only) collection of Alpha Flight feats.
ESPECIALLY when the feat in question, the 2 universes, is SUCH an outlier, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Sasquash didn't withstand Hulk punch. He doesn't have the showings to support this and has far less showings putting his durability much lower.If he truly did withstand Hulk punches, no one under Hulk power should affect him.
What does this mean to you KM.? Read the above and tell me what you get from it.
Wait what? first Walter HAS withstood Hulk's punches from Savage Hulk, Red Hulk and even recently from a pissed off sucker punch from Cho. Bad example
Again what don't you get about averages? Hulk has been taken out by a snake, a t-rex, humans with a basic sleeping spell, etc. Do we just go by low showings? No. Do we just go by high showings? No. We go by averages. Why is this so hard for you?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are you....are you trying to suggest, KM, that due to Hype having far more showings putting his durability lower, the average is.....lower than a universe buster????So the average of 100, 1,2 and 4 is.....more like 27???
Bingo
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except Sas has quite a few showings to suggest he can 🙂Faultiest analogy ever. Especially when going up against KM, who possibly has the greatest (i.e. only) collection of Alpha Flight feats.
ESPECIALLY when the feat in question, the 2 universes, is SUCH an outlier, lol.
Carver is grasping at straws now.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Wait what? first Walter HAS withstood Hulk's punches from Savage Hulk and even recently from a pissed off sucker punch from Cho. Bad exampleAgain what don't you get about averages? Hulk has been taken out by a snake, a t-rex, humans with a basic sleeping spell, etc. Do we just go by low showings? No. Do we just go by low showings? No. We go by averages. Why is this so hard for you?
And Hyperion HAS withstood a Universe exploding on him AND held back the entire Beyonder race. Bad examples.
Do you not understand we are not discussing averages? Your post that I quoted first had nothing, n.o.t.h.i.n.g to do about averages.
Originally posted by carver9
And Hyperion HAS withstood a Universe exploding on him AND held back the entire Beyonder race. Bad examples.Do you not understand we are not discussing averages? Your post that I quoted first had nothing, n.o.t.h.i.n.g to do about averages.
and as mentioned has some pretty low showings. Also keep in mind a Beyonder those specific beyonders were destroyed by planetary blasts. Again youre trying to just go by high showings and ignoring everything else
WE ARE. We always were. Golam was going by that ONE showing. Literally that one showing. Are you trying to be dumb on purpose? You replied to a post which again you completely misunderstood and was discussing the faulity going with that one showing hence why I have reiterated averages many times. the universe outlier tried to explain it with the eye of the storm theory which again DID NOT say was definitive but would explain why his other showings are no where near it.
Originally posted by -K-M-
BingoCarver is grasping at straws now.
What Darksaint (please stop quoting him) don't get is, a high showing is a high showing. Just because someone has been hurt by far less doesn't mean that we take away their high showing. It happened. Do we use it as an average in debates, no, but it still exist. It's like take away Surfer surviving in the heart of a black hole due to him getting knocked out by far less. It's boarder line trolling tbh.
Originally posted by carver9
And Hyperion HAS withstood a Universe exploding on him AND held back the entire Beyonder race. Bad examples.Do you not understand we are not discussing averages? Your post that I quoted first had nothing, n.o.t.h.i.n.g to do about averages.
And has been taken out by worms, mains electricity, and a gunshot knocked him over.
Re-read the post KM said. He's replying to golem, using his logic against him.
Golem's logic is that we should ONLY use that one showing.
KM said if that IS the case, then nothing should affect him. But things have.
And you just jumped in, all afire, on your noble white steed, dripping and open.
Originally posted by -K-M-
and as mentioned has some pretty low showings. Also keep in mind a Beyonder those specific beyonders were destroyed by planetary blasts.WE ARE. We always were. Golam was going by that ONE showing. Literally that one showing. Are you trying to be dumb on purpose. You replied to a post which again you completely misunderstood hence why I have reiterated averages many times, and the universe outlier tried to explain it with the eye of the storm theory which again DID NOT say was definitive but would explain why his other showings are no where near it.
He does have low showings, what character doesn't. Looking at his average, he wins this imo.
You probably were but that post had nothing to do with averages. Not a thing to do with it.
Originally posted by carver9
He does have low showings, what character doesn't. Looking at his average, he wins this imo.You probably were but that post had nothing to do with averages. Not a thing to do with it.
But you are taking one single statement out of the context of the conversation within which it happened.
Actually, I am not surprised. And you can quote me on that.
Originally posted by carver9
He does have low showings, what character doesn't. Looking at his average, he wins this imo.You probably were but that post had nothing to do with averages. Not a thing to do with it.
Wow. How many times did I say that in this thread? Seriously. Yes, everyone has low showings and have high showings. We dont go by one or the other we go by averages. Golam was going by that ONE showing and only that showing.
It 100% did, you just again didn't comprehend it which again everyone else got it but you 😬
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you are taking one single statement out of the context of the conversation within which it happened.Actually, I am not surprised. And you can quote me on that.
Exactly
jesus, this kind of discussion should come from people who have never visited the forum before. the idea of one or 2 showings somehow outweighing the more numerous 'average' showings is fukcing idiotic, and more, it's actually against the forum rules of adapting only high showings. the fringe elements in kmc use those tactics, people with agendas, anti-fanboys and your run-of-the-mill trolls. unless it's someone's first visit to the forums, that type of willful stupidity should be reported. 👆