Originally posted by krisblaze
WW3 Adam had the power of an additional god, and the righteous fury of a man out to massacre a country in the middle east.Bill is dead.
If Bill is dead no matter what. He could cut loose and uncouple those power inhibitors. Levels out the playing field for a few minutes before he melts down.
@phil, sorry bro, not buying it--at least not all of it. if we went by actual high end feats, i could pick any of the 2 you named and show they should be able to slaughter adam too, so clearly, as you said, they did not fight to their best. that group together should be able to slaughter even guys like superman. does that mean had he shown up adam would have destroyed superman too? i don't really think so, at all. and if he couldn't destroy superman, no way i see him destroying someone like bill, who is thor's exact equal. in fact, going by feats, that group that challenged adam never fought even CLOSE to their best and several were holding back iirc. and like i said, hawkman and alan could have ended him, but chose not to, so there is that. blood and thunder thor (before he got the gem) beat the f*** out of ss and adam and the infinity watch. who did the best by far against him? bill, who actually put even that thor down.
by saying they weren't at their best, i don't think we'd be eliminating all that many fights--only the ones of this type, where someone is clearly being highlighted at the expense of a large number of characters. i always view these types of scenes with a grain of salt. not only was superman and ww absent, marvel wasn't there either, so meh. impressive showing, sure, but i don't place as much stock in that arc as others do. /shrug
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Its bad that you have to focus on Adams very best showing only to make this a fight. BIll uncouples and one shots him.
He wins.
Originally posted by zopzop
He also took out the JSA by himself :
http://imgur.com/a/FCtNI
So he has, on at least two occasions, soloed teams of super humans consisting of multiple herald level beings.He wins.
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I think that feat in JSA is just as good as WW 3, anyway.
Originally posted by leonidasSpace cheese don't override direct comparisons, and Black Adam has been consistently shown as above the combined capabilities of similar teams, again and again. WWIII isn't a one-off Black Adam feat - he's ALWAYS been portrayed as being able to take it to high-end teams. That's happened again and again throughout his history.
@phil, sorry bro, not buying it--at least not all of it. if we went by actual high end feats, i could pick any of the 2 you named and show they should be able to slaughter adam too, so clearly, as you said, they did not fight to their best. that group together should be able to slaughter even guys like superman. does that mean had he shown up adam would have destroyed superman too? i don't really think so, at all.
That doesn't prove he'd be able to slaughter Superman, who has had similar combat showings, btw. The problem is, Bill doesn't.
Originally posted by leonidasSilver Surfer has treated Beta Ray Bill like a nuisance. Thor had beaten him before Surfer intervened, then got caught on the wrong foot and was slammed with Stormbreaker in the back of the head [I assume you're ok with analysing fight choreography in both cases, no?], was momentarily down, then one-shotted Beta Ray Bill once he got up. Surfer intervened twice in BRB's aid.
blood and thunder thor (before he got the gem) beat the f*** out of ss and adam and the infinity watch. who did the best by far against him? bill, who actually put even that thor down.
I ask you to show me Bill performing against teams of similar capability, not against Thor and by extension [ABC logic?] all the characters Thor has faced. If you want to play that way, Black Adam has pulled Amazo's head off, and Amazo has gone up against the JLA. Black Adam has laughed off Doctor Fate, who has fought Mordru [a skyfather ++].
This is a battle you can't win, trust me.
Originally posted by leonidas
by saying they weren't at their best, i don't think we'd be eliminating all that many fights--only the ones of this type, where someone is clearly being highlighted at the expense of a large number of characters. i always view these types of scenes with a grain of salt. not only was superman and ww absent, marvel wasn't there either, so meh. impressive showing, sure, but i don't place as much stock in that arc as others do. /shrug
Characters not fighting at their best isn't exclusive to teams. Superman in 99.999% of his fights isn't at his best, be they solo or as part of the Justice League. Same for Flash. Same for Wonder Woman. Same for J'onn. Same for Thor. Same for Surfer. Same for literally every character that doesn't use powers in CBR style.
It doesn't mean we dismiss their fights.
Relative fight comparisons count - both solo and against teams, otherwise forum discussions would all be about math.
To each his own though,
But if you want to go math style, Black Adam blitzes the shit out of Beta Ray Bill 10/10.
Originally posted by Sin I AMYes indeed.
They jobbed.
Firestorm was there, after all, and he's one-shot KO'd Adam in the past:
http://i.imgur.com/mITcOGf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fNpJuXG.jpg
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There are no direct comparisons you idiot, they are from separate universes. All you do talk stupidity about Marvel characters being weaker than D.C. characters thread after thread. It isn't true and never will be no matter how much flatus emits from your jaws. The only thing dumber is your angry bald avatar.
