Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's the guy who said there was a direct comparison, right?
I don't know. I just saw you double posting and not quoting and I was curious.
Originally posted by Zack M
😂Talk about meltdown.
Not helping.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Agreed, your battle post was an epic meltdown. Didn't get the sweep you wanted, huh?
Neither is that.
Kindly stay on topic, please.
@phil--you're right, i can't win a feat battle with adam in the sense we're talking because....bill's never been featured in that type of battle. not sure ss has treated bill like a nuisance though, nor that it would matter much as ss would take adam as well imo, more easily since the hammer gives bill an edge against ss adam wouldn't have.
i still think you need to take that battle, and others like it with a grain of salt because of how the others were portrayed in that scene. i respect your opinion more than most around here, we just put different weight on that scene. i mean galan was clowning with his firestorm post but firestorm what, tried tackling him?? the whole thing was pretty ludicrous in parts, as happens a lot in those types of scenes. i still think this would be close. the speed issue is a big one, but bill handled ss at speed. always tough arguing dc speed against marvel-style bricks, admittedly, but if these 2 squared off i don't think speed would be the decisive factor--at least not all the time. in a single fight scenario i would likely take adam, but out of 10 i think this would be really close. /shrug
Bill didn't handle SS at speed. He was basically stationary compared to him.
Surfer was the one who operated at speed when chasing skuttlebutt.
Bill should be much slower than Adam since he technically has no superspeed.
Adam is stronger and more durable. Bill is more versatile. Speed kills versatility though.
Originally posted by Juntai
Since we're relegating to that storyline alone, based on that one particular performance; Adam smashes Bill like Conor McGregor vs a toddler with down syndrome.
There was many characters above Bill in that team he was streamrolling.
Originally posted by leonidasDon't get me wrong, leo, I get your point of view - the other characters were definitely not using their abilities to their fullest potential. But that type of reasoning wouldn't get use nowhere, since comic fights are never even close to showing to full capabilities of the characters - and when you have a dozen heroes in a few pages of fighting, that will never happen. Do we dismiss Superboy Prime's showings and standing within the power hierarchy, just because the 100+ characters fighting him weren't all going CBR on him? Do we dismiss all of Superman's fights just because he isn't portrayed as Flash-lite with planet moving strength? etc.
@phil--you're right, i can't win a feat battle with adam in the sense we're talking because....bill's never been featured in that type of battle. not sure ss has treated bill like a nuisance though, nor that it would matter much as ss would take adam as well imo, more easily since the hammer gives bill an edge against ss adam wouldn't have.i still think you need to take that battle, and others like it with a grain of salt because of how the others were portrayed in that scene. i respect your opinion more than most around here, we just put different weight on that scene. i mean galan was clowning with his firestorm post but firestorm what, tried tackling him?? the whole thing was pretty ludicrous in parts, as happens a lot in those types of scenes. i still think this would be close. the speed issue is a big one, but bill handled ss at speed. always tough arguing dc speed against marvel-style bricks, admittedly, but if these 2 squared off i don't think speed would be the decisive factor--at least not all the time. in a single fight scenario i would likely take adam, but out of 10 i think this would be really close. /shrug
Bill has nothing to show himself, in his entire history, as being favorite against even a fraction of those teams. Black Adam was not only beating them en-masse, but this isn't a one-off showing - his entire history is quite literally taking on teams of heroes that many would individually give Bill good fights or win, and winning.
PS:
I'd give Black Adam 6-7/10 against Silver Surfer.
Surfer doesn't have combat speed above Spiderman, nevermind Black Adam who is in Jay Garrick's tier. Nevertheless, the Bill/Surfer fight showed nothing pertaining to combat speed.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not that I disagree with the overall outcome, but it is worth noting that Surfer only gained the advantage over Bill after cheap-shotting him with his board:
They were relative equals beforehand, it seemed. /shrug
Well, on that note, Surfer was casually trying to talk him out of it, and was apologizing as he beat him down and left him in the fetus position. I wouldn't want to break down the fight further for not propping up Surfer too much [the forum is already too masturbatory when he is concerned] but I think it's suffice to say that he came off as superior, with the added parts that:
a). Stormbreaker easily handles Surfer's blasts
b). Two full on charged Stormbreaker blasts put Surfer on his ass none of the worse, while a board to the head and two punches put Bill in the fetal position.
Let's just say if I was a BRB fan I wouldn't ever bring this up.
Oh it is definitely a crap showing after Bill was blindsided by the board. I am more just looking at what happened before said cheap-shot. /shrug
But yeah, it is a ridiculous scene either way. I am just glad that Bill has enough feats to place it on the backburner as PIS or whathaveyou.... But as is always the case, people(not you) will always focus on the lows, and never even consider the highs -- or even averages for that matter. Oh well, such is the way of things. ermm
Anywho, Adam does win here. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
Oh it is definitely a crap showing after Bill was blindsided by the board. I am more just looking at what happened before said cheap-shot.But yeah, it is a ridiculous scene either way. I am just glad that Bill has enough feats to place it on the backburner as PIS or whathaveyou.... But as is always the case, people(not you) will always focus on the lows, and never even consider the highs -- or even averages for that matter.
Oh well. Such is the way of things... srug
Speaking of fights, I gave up Marvel a while ago, but I heart he fought the kid Nova. How did that go?
@phil: a couple questions: if you think he was really that far above those others, how was it that hawkman and alan would have taken him out had they not stopped? if hawkman could do that to adam with Alan's mace, bill could do worse with the hammer imo, given how strong bill is....
and i'm curious: you think had superman showed up to tackle him alone adam would have wrecked him too? saying he'd wreck bill is...saying an awful lot imo. I mean the dude has some really good showings. it's the same as saying he'd wreck thor, essentially. I don't see that happening, personally.
re: the prime issue: imo that was a completely different case because the heroes were not holding back and prime was actually killing many of them. against adam, he smacked around some of the bigger guns who were holding back and blatantly not fighting at their best. who do you think was the single biggest threat he actually beat? alan? who with hawkman also had the chance to take him out... jonn? well, jonn is tough but...he's jonn. I sort of had the same argument with mindless hulk recently against a slew of avengers. he smacked them around some, they held back and it was a good showing, but not the showing some claim it to be imo.
in saying he's taken on whole teams that have individuals who would beat bill....I dunno man. there's some context to most of his fights with the jsa and when marvel steps in he's able to handle adam most of the time. just sounds like you're placing adam too far above a guy who's beaten thor more than once. without marvel, ww or superman (not even flash or hal were present) I just see this being more ninja law than not. sorry man, pretty sure we won't see eye to eye this time around because I still see this as being a close fight overall.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Indeed:
Bill and Nova was a non-fight.
And here is the star-diving feat I mentioned:
http://i.imgur.com/G0QaISF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4RqbbLF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QSVJlYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tbYxewh.jpg
