US Immigration/Refugee Issue

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Updates on Trump's ban getting banned:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/06/amicus-brief-trump-travel-ban
Huh, interesting.

Anti-Muslim != Muslim Ban

😉 👆

As a person who studied American Civil Law quite extensively in college, I can assure you that this is definitely and provably something that has a disparate impact on Muslims and if a situation similar to this happened at a business, Trump would get his pants sued off of him under decades of legal precedence as it pertains specifically to the American Civil Rights Act of 1964 under Articles 6 and 7 (sometimes called "Titles VI and VII"😉.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Updates on Trump's ban getting banned:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/06/amicus-brief-trump-travel-ban
Huh, interesting.

Indeed, I just hope it doesn't backfire. This does not mean I am for or against banning this order, but I truly do hope these people have solid legal ground to stand on when it comes to opposing this. Just like I hope the one judge from Seattle has the same. Because I feel like now it's not in the best interests of this country to be going back and forth over this issue. I don't want to see it banned, unbanned, banned again, unbanned again,etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
Indeed, I just hope it doesn't backfire. This does not mean I am for or against banning this order, but I truly do hope these people have solid legal ground to stand on when it comes to opposing this. Just like I hope the one judge from Seattle has the same. Because I feel like now it's not in the best interests of this country to be going back and forth over this issue. I don't want to see it banned, unbanned, banned again, unbanned again,etc.

I am all for banning this order and getting rid of trash like that.

The Executive Order is stupid. And it does nothing to make America safe. I believe it actually just inflames the anti-American issues. Trump may have increased the likelihood of being attacked by jihadists already angry at America and The West.

I think we should just deport this Judge to one of the 7 countires on this list and see how long he lasts.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am all for banning this order and getting rid of trash like that.

The Executive Order is stupid. And it does nothing to make America safe. I believe it actually just inflames the anti-American issues. Trump may have increased the likelihood of being attacked by jihadists already angry at America and The West.

This we can agree on. Groups like ISIS thrive on a 'USA/The West Vs Islam' mentally being in play, they need it to fuel their cause, coffers and ranks.

So are you saying we should surrender to the Isis Hordes? yeah. that sounds like Robbie.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am all for banning this order and getting rid of trash like that.

The Executive Order is stupid. And it does nothing to make America safe. I believe it actually just inflames the anti-American issues. Trump may have increased the likelihood of being attacked by jihadists already angry at America and The West.

I don't want a lot of time wasted on it since for now I am going to assume Trump will not be re-elected. So he has only a couple of years to get things done(or at least to get the ball rolling on them).

Though I am still having a hard time figuring Trump out. Part of me wonders what he truly wished to accomplish here. Did he truly want this order to go through? Or did he anticipate that due to the magnitude of his order that it would eventually get blocked, and thus it would at least allow him to say to his supporters "hey look, when it comes to the refugees I did all that was within my power, they blocked me". Since one frequent complaint has been how he hasn't been trying to do the things he had talked about doing.

I'm not saying I am right in thinking that or even that a substantial part of me even believes it, I just wonder sometimes wtf is going on inside Trumps head.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]I think we should just deport this Judge to one of the 7 countires on this list and see how long he lasts. [/B]

Are you a Christian? I cannot remember if you said you were a Christian or not.

Originally posted by Robtard
This we can agree on. Groups like ISIS thrive on a 'USA/The West Vs Islam' mentally being in play, they need it to fuel their cause, coffers and ranks.

Of course we agree because at the end of the day, we hold pretty much the same political beliefs and even our criticisms of libertarian ideas are the same.

Shitty policies are shitty policies no matter what types of labels people like to slap on them.

If we could take your point a step further, some of their goals are being accomplished when we react against these people the way they are. There are multiple motivations for the jihads. Some are to keep the West away and get them away from their people. This travel ban is a start down a path to keep the West out of their countries.

Some is to scare the West into being afraid of them. This ban proves we are afraid of their jihads.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't want a lot of time wasted on it since for now I am going to assume Trump will not be re-elected. So he has only a couple of years to get things done(or at least to get the ball rolling on them).

Though I am still having a hard time figuring Trump out. Part of me wonders what he truly wished to accomplish here. Did he truly want this order to go through? Or did he anticipate that due to the magnitude of his order that it would eventually get blocked, and thus it would at least allow him to say to his supporters "hey look, when it comes to the refugees I did all that was within my power, they blocked me". Since one frequent complaint has been how he hasn't been trying to do the things he had talked about doing.

I'm not saying I am right in thinking that or even that a substantial part of me even believes it, I just wonder sometimes wtf is going on inside Trumps head.

Well, if he can claim, "I tried to deliver my campaign promise and they blocked me," at least for those who supported him over this, he did deliver to the best of his ability.

This is the outcome I wanted from Obama on universal healthcare. I don't care that the GOP would have blocked him. A true UHC option was what I wanted, what he promised, what he did not deliver, and what he did not try to deliver. He wanted something, anything, to get put through instead of standing up for what he believed in and promised us.

At least Trump is trying to deliver what he promised his voters, right? Even if it gets dammed and stamped out of existence, at least he is not taking the cowards way out like Obama.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you a Christian? I cannot remember if you said you were a Christian or not.

Why do you ask? Are you wanting to flirt with me?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Why do you ask? Are you wanting to flirt with me? [/B]

No, I'm asking because I want to know your motivations for some of your political beliefs. This is not an attempt on a personal attack against you.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, I'm asking because I want to know your motivations for some of your political beliefs. This is not an attempt on a personal attack against you.

Nah. I am just a Jerk!

Too much thinking for the fly.

Thinky Make Grimey's Brain Stinky!

Originally posted by Surtur
I just wonder sometimes wtf is going on inside Trumps head.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Still not a Muslim Ban. There is no Muslim Ban.

This is a very easy test:

Q: Is this a Muslim Ban?

A: No.

Follow-up question:

Q: Why is this not a Muslim Ban?

A: Because no one has been banned specifically because they are Muslim. Muslims are still coming into the US by large numbers and almost nothing has changed these numbers during the increased measures against just 7 countries. This is a travel and immigration ban that affects more than just Muslims because even veteran soldiers, from the UK, who have fought in Iraq, are being detained and questioned. This affects 7 countries who are proven to be unstable and have poor vetting processes. This is not a ban, this is a temporary measure put in place on people coming from those countries into the US until more confident measures to vet arrivals from those 7 countries are in place. Additionally, all 7 of these countries have also been assessed as having significant amounts of terrorism, possess significant enough anti-US sentiment to be deemed a serious threat, and are dangerous to travel to by the UK, as well. This is not a US-only idea. And this is not an idea that the Trump administration came up with, either: they are riding on the backs of work the Obama administration already undertook.

Q: So what WOULD a Muslim Ban actually look like?

A: Muslims would be banned. We'd round them up and export them. We'd prevent any from coming to the US, as well. That would be a Muslim ban.

Q: So why are people calling this a Muslim Ban?

A: Emotional knee-jerk reactionism specifically manufactured to be as anti-Trump as possible. Make Turmp look like the most horrible person ever to justify why he is not fit to be your president. The worse you make him look, the easier it is to live with your cognitive dissonance.

And from the article you posted:

"...that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country."

By the way didn't Obama have the exact same ban? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Robtard
So I did a quick search, there's 718 posts in that thread, you posted 258 times, that's about a 36% participation rate. You're a virtual tear leader.

Originally posted by Deadline
By the way didn't Obama have the exact same ban? 😖hifty:

It wasn't a Muslim Ban, either. But I think you know that and you're being facetious. Consevatards will be conservatards. The idiots cheering for the "Muslim ban" are just that: idiots.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, if he can claim, "I tried to deliver my campaign promise and they blocked me," at least for those who supported him over this, he did deliver to the best of his ability.

This is the outcome I wanted from Obama on universal healthcare. I don't care that the GOP would have blocked him. A true UHC option was what I wanted, what he promised, what he did not deliver, and what he did not try to deliver. He wanted something, anything, to get put through instead of standing up for what he believed in and promised us.

At least Trump is trying to deliver what he promised his voters, right? Even if it gets dammed and stamped out of existence, at least he is not taking the cowards way out like Obama.

Yes I'm glad he tried to at least take some measures he talked about and he tried to do it quickly. Possibly because he knew how much opposition he'd face.

For the people against the "ban", would you be open to refugees being admitted, but at much lower numbers?