Aquaman Vs Spiderman Universe

The Superman issue was a bit weird for both characters. Abnett honestly wanted them to fight and with how level headed both Superman and Aquaman are it kind of demanded CIS.

Personally I'm hoping Aquaman gets more versatility in general. I didn't like the characterization in the Bunn's run but the Poseidon Blessing was cool. Thor, Wonder Woman and Superman have more going for them then just physicals I don't get why Aquaman is limited. I get Johns is a silver aged buff.. but him limiting Aquaman is weird given his telepathy was expanded in the Silver age, first used on Superman which is a big thing. It's even more weird given the first time Johns wrote Aquaman he assisted J'onn in Telepathically fighting Despero.. Johns also heavily based his run on PAD's Aquaman run. Given he did the reboot for Aquaman he clearly nerfed him though in TP.

Ideally Aquaman should be a physical powerhouse sure, but with telepathy, marine life Empathy and a trident with all these tricks

Originally posted by -Pr-
It depends, as EG said. In the 90s, David and the other writers went through great pains to make it clear that Aquaman's greatest weapon was his telepathy, almost to the point where for a good half-decade, he has very, very few strength feats. It balanced out a bit as time went on, but for the longest time they loved writing stories about his telepathy.

Then the reboot happened, and DC flipped things around. Aquaman was impressive physically before, but now they were pushing him as more of a powerhouse than ever, but now it was at the expense of his telepathy.

My honest to god theory is that someone at DC, possibly Johns, does NOT like the idea of Aquaman having "normal" telepathy, and tries to keep things localised to marine life.

I honestly don't expect him to win this fight. I just get wary going in to Aquaman threads where even today, some people tend to treat him as being no better than say, Colossus or something.

Not that Colossus is awful or anything, but still.

Heh. It would make sense if that were the explanation.

I think of Colossus as more of a one-dimensional guy, whereas Arthur has more going on, and also (I think?) better high-end feats. So I don't know that he's too terribly lowballed, but then again I don't come into many of his vs. threads. /srug

Case in point, I think this was an interesting matchup to put into a vs. context. I do think the team wins, and I am more convinced the more I think about it, but it also requires a good amount of knowledge of the team to build the case. When I know as much as anyone about the team and had to think for a minute to make sure I was set on saying they won, the thread starter has done a decent job of creating a match.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The Superman issue was a bit weird for both characters. Abnett honestly wanted them to fight and with how level headed both Superman and Aquaman are it kind of demanded CIS.

Personally I'm hoping Aquaman gets more versatility in general. I didn't like the characterization in the Bunn's run but the Poseidon Blessing was cool. Thor, Wonder Woman and Superman have more going for them then just physicals I don't get why Aquaman is limited. I get Johns is a silver aged buff.. but him limiting Aquaman is weird given his telepathy was expanded in the Silver age, first used on Superman which is a big thing. It's even more weird given the first time Johns wrote Aquaman he assisted J'onn in Telepathically fighting Despero.. Johns also heavily based his run on PAD's Aquaman run. Given he did the reboot for Aquaman he clearly nerfed him though in TP.

Ideally Aquaman should be a physical powerhouse sure, but with telepathy, marine life Empathy and a trident with all these tricks

That's why I was so surprised. I was so glad to see Johns have him go up against Despero like that, but then to nerf him like that? It was so strange.

TBH, I'd be happy with a decent mix between physical fighting and telepathy. Not a huge fan of using the trident for anything more than just using it as an actual trident.

Originally posted by Digi
Heh. It would make sense if that were the explanation.

I think of Colossus as more of a one-dimensional guy, whereas Arthur has more going on, and also (I think?) better high-end feats. So I don't know that he's too terribly lowballed, but then again I don't come into many of his vs. threads. /srug

Case in point, I think this was an interesting matchup to put into a vs. context. I do think the team wins, and I am more convinced the more I think about it, but it also requires a good amount of knowledge of the team to build the case. When I know as much as anyone about the team and had to think for a minute to make sure I was set on saying they won, the thread starter has done a decent job of creating a match.

Before the reboot, it was much worse. Thankfully DC pushed him a bit, so he got a bit more recognition.

Spider-Man has always been that comic for me that I just can't get in to. I try every so often, but for some reason it just doesn't stick. And I'm someone that adored the 90s cartoon too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Before the reboot, it was much worse. Thankfully DC pushed him a bit, so he got a bit more recognition.

Spider-Man has always been that comic for me that I just can't get in to. I try every so often, but for some reason it just doesn't stick. And I'm someone that adored the 90s cartoon too.

The movie should help, for good or bad. He's going to have to solidify an identity in the comics too, since more people will become aware of him.

It's ok to be wrong about Spidey. 😛 My only regret with him is that saying you like him to non-comic fans is tricky. They think you just identify with the geeky loner loser that was Peter Parker in, like, the 60s, so you get pigeonholed. It's hard to be like "no, he's awesome and funny and clever as hell and doesn't take himself too seriously but doesn't devolve into postmodern parody (see: Deadpool) and...etc. etc." Pete's always had "the Parker luck," but that's different than being a loser. But nobody believes me. They're like "nope, you're a nerd." I usually just shrug and agree at that point.

😐

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's why I was so surprised. I was so glad to see Johns have him go up against Despero like that, but then to nerf him like that? It was so strange.

TBH, I'd be happy with a decent mix between physical fighting and telepathy. Not a huge fan of using the trident for anything more than just using it as an actual trident.

Kind of bugs me the trident is more versatile outside comics then inside. I see alot of casuals suggesting Aquaman can do things with his trident that they saw in a cartoon or video game. Yet doesn't do in comics.

DCAU, his trident shot Energy blast.sealed a dimensional opening, shot lightning, amplified magic/spells.

Injustice, shoots lighting, controls water. Opens portals, Teleportation.

Throne of Atlantis animated movie, Shoots lightning, encases people in a Shell like structure, absorbs and can redirect Energy, controls the oceans.

I don't want Aquaman to do this repetitively hell Thor Odinson typically ignores alot of his weather Manipulation abilities. I just want it to be there for use. Hell the Poseidon Blessing Aquaman, didn't use it constantly either only ever when he was going up against Armies or the Thule Giant. He used it against numbers or foes more powerful than him. Characters like Catman and Depowered Superman he held back this power against.

Originally posted by Digi
The movie should help, for good or bad. He's going to have to solidify an identity in the comics too, since more people will become aware of him.

It's ok to be wrong about Spidey. 😛 My only regret with him is that saying you like him to non-comic fans is tricky. They think you just identify with the geeky loner loser that was Peter Parker in, like, the 60s, so you get pigeonholed. It's hard to be like "no, he's awesome and funny and clever as hell and doesn't take himself too seriously but doesn't devolve into postmodern parody (see: Deadpool) and...etc. etc." Pete's always had "the Parker luck," but that's different than being a loser. But nobody believes me. They're like "nope, you're a nerd." I usually just shrug and agree at that point.

😐

Ugh, that damn movie.

Hey, being a nerd isn't so bad... Except when it is.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Kind of bugs me the trident is more versatile outside comics then inside. I see alot of casuals suggesting Aquaman can do things with his trident that they saw in a cartoon or video game. Yet doesn't do in comics.

DCAU, his trident shot Energy blast.sealed a dimensional opening, shot lightning, amplified magic/spells.

Injustice, shoots lighting, controls water. Opens portals, Teleportation.

Throne of Atlantis animated movie, Shoots lightning, encases people in a Shell like structure, absorbs and can redirect Energy, controls the oceans.

I don't want Aquaman to do this repetitively hell Thor Odinson typically ignores alot of his weather Manipulation abilities. I just want it to be there for use. Hell the Poseidon Blessing Aquaman, didn't use it constantly either only ever when he was going up against Armies or the Thule Giant. He used it against numbers or foes more powerful than him. Characters like Catman and Depowered Superman he held back this power against.

Even in the Lego games, his trident could fire blasts of water.

I don't mind if he has some more versality, I just don't want the trident to be able to do too much either. It's a delicate balance.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Even in the Lego games, his trident could fire blasts of water.

I don't mind if he has some more versality, I just don't want the trident to be able to do too much either. It's a delicate balance.

I wouldn't turn it into Mjolnir, either.

I think having it control water treads into Mera's territory a bit too much, too. But at the same time, it's origin pretty much lends it to that.

How would you approach its capabilities? What would it be able to do?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I wouldn't turn it into Mjolnir, either.

I think having it control water treads into Mera's territory a bit too much, too. But at the same time, it's origin pretty much lends it to that.

How would you approach its capabilities? What would it be able to do?

If it were me writing the comic?

-I always liked the idea of it being indestructible, so it would keep that. Be it by absorbing or redirecting attacks, it should be as unbreakable as Wonder Woman's bracers if not more-so.
-It being magic, it should also be able to pierce/stab all but the strongest of magical objects. It should have no problem bypassing super-durability or force-shields etc.
-I'd let it function as a kind of booster to his telepathic powers too. Of course, I'd write him with telepathy anyway, but by using the trident, his "voice" would be louder and carry more authority.
-Feeding in to that slightly, I'd have the trident take on a similar role to Anduril in LOTR. With Arthur wielding it, he is recognised as the legitimate king of the seas, and even the most powerful of creatures under the sea wouldn't argue once he was wielding it.
-Not totally trident related, but semi-related to my post, if I wrote Aquaman I would go full-bore with the mysticism. He'd be able to call on all the sea monsters of mythology. Scylla, charybdis, the kraken, hydras, and even on occasion some of the most Lovecraftian shit possible.

Really play in to the idea that all the shit people fear is down there, IS down there, and Aquaman has the power to unleash it.

The way you differentiate the Trident and Mera. Is have Mera be more precise with her hydrokinesis. She's able to do things like create water constructs, dehydrate people, flood their lungs anything internal like that. Moisture grabbing, Flooding the brain.

I wouldn't have the Trident be that precise. In regards to hydrokinesis. It would just be able to create rain, tsunamis, and shoot water blast. Just things less precise and a bit more generic. I'd even make Mera's hydrokinesis more potent when she's welding the trident.

The trident I'd have be Poseidon-Lite. Which the Poseidon Blessing basically was.

The blessing, gave him cyrokinesis, earth control, electrokinesis, flight, Teleportation which would of been cool if he could use to summon Sealife to his aid. I also like the idea of the trident changing it's weapon stance. In something like Injustice it could of offered a different playing style. It also branched him a bit out from other sea related characters. Like Triton and Namor who have tridents. I'd still keep him a bit grounded I'd just have the abilities there for use if he wanted to.

It would act as a composite Trident under my pen. Which would give Magical Protection, Anti magic capabilities, Magical boost, Energy Absorption and/or redirection, Indestructible trident.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it were me writing the comic?

-I always liked the idea of it being indestructible, so it would keep that. Be it by absorbing or redirecting attacks, it should be as unbreakable as Wonder Woman's bracers if not more-so.
-It being magic, it should also be able to pierce/stab all but the strongest of magical objects. It should have no problem bypassing super-durability or force-shields etc.
-I'd let it function as a kind of booster to his telepathic powers too. Of course, I'd write him with telepathy anyway, but by using the trident, his "voice" would be louder and carry more authority.
-Feeding in to that slightly, I'd have the trident take on a similar role to Anduril in LOTR. With Arthur wielding it, he is recognised as the legitimate king of the seas, and even the most powerful of creatures under the sea wouldn't argue once he was wielding it.
-Not totally trident related, but semi-related to my post, if I wrote Aquaman I would go full-bore with the mysticism. He'd be able to call on all the sea monsters of mythology. Scylla, charybdis, the kraken, hydras, and even on occasion some of the most Lovecraftian shit possible.

Really play in to the idea that all the shit people fear is down there, IS down there, and Aquaman has the power to unleash it.

I like the idea of Aquaman calling more fantasy esque characters. It irks me when Sharks harm or perform Hightier atleast make them Megadolons like Injustice 2 did. Ironically power wise Bunn's handled Aquaman in a way I liked. He had all this power but didn't ignore his Sealife telepathy.

http://m.imgur.com/a/ZiF6R
http://m.imgur.com/y6hyrxX

Personally I'd still connect him to his classic Sealife Creatures in a specific way.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The way you differentiate the Trident and Mera. Is have Mera be more precise with her hydrokinesis. She's able to do things like create water constructs, dehydrate people, flood their lungs anything internal like that. Moisture grabbing, Flooding the brain.

I wouldn't have the Trident be that precise. In regards to hydrokinesis. It would just be able to create rain, tsunamis, and shoot water blast. Just things less precise and a bit more generic. I'd even make Mera's hydrokinesis more potent when she's welding the trident.

The trident I'd have be Poseidon-Lite. Which the Poseidon Blessing basically was.

The blessing, gave him cyrokinesis, earth control, electrokinesis, flight, Teleportation which would of been cool if he could use to summon Sealife to his aid. I also like the idea of the trident changing it's weapon stance. In something like Injustice it could of offered a different playing style. It also branched him a bit out from other sea related characters. Like Triton and Namor who have tridents. I'd still keep him a bit grounded I'd just have the abilities there for use if he wanted to.

It would act as a composite Trident under my pen. Which would give Magical Protection, Anti magic capabilities, Magical boost, Energy Absorption and/or redirection, Indestructible trident.

Yeah, I honestly wouldn't like to see him be able to do those kinds of things. But that's personal preference.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I like the idea of Aquaman calling more fantasy esque characters. It irks me when Sharks harm or perform Hightier atleast make them Megadolons like Injustice 2 did. Ironically power wise Bunn's handled Aquaman in a way I liked. He had all this power but didn't ignore his Sealife telepathy.

http://m.imgur.com/a/ZiF6R
http://m.imgur.com/y6hyrxX

Personally I'd still connect him to his classic Sealife Creatures in a specific way.

Nice 👆

It harkens back to preboot, when he left that guy surrounded by sharks and left them to decide the guy's fate.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it were me writing the comic?

-I always liked the idea of it being indestructible, so it would keep that. Be it by absorbing or redirecting attacks, it should be as unbreakable as Wonder Woman's bracers if not more-so.
-It being magic, it should also be able to pierce/stab all but the strongest of magical objects. It should have no problem bypassing super-durability or force-shields etc.
-I'd let it function as a kind of booster to his telepathic powers too. Of course, I'd write him with telepathy anyway, but by using the trident, his "voice" would be louder and carry more authority.
-Feeding in to that slightly, I'd have the trident take on a similar role to Anduril in LOTR. With Arthur wielding it, he is recognised as the legitimate king of the seas, and even the most powerful of creatures under the sea wouldn't argue once he was wielding it.
-Not totally trident related, but semi-related to my post, if I wrote Aquaman I would go full-bore with the mysticism. He'd be able to call on all the sea monsters of mythology. Scylla, charybdis, the kraken, hydras, and even on occasion some of the most Lovecraftian shit possible.

Really play in to the idea that all the shit people fear is down there, IS down there, and Aquaman has the power to unleash it.

No

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The way you differentiate the Trident and Mera. Is have Mera be more precise with her hydrokinesis. She's able to do things like create water constructs, dehydrate people, flood their lungs anything internal like that. Moisture grabbing, Flooding the brain.

I wouldn't have the Trident be that precise. In regards to hydrokinesis. It would just be able to create rain, tsunamis, and shoot water blast. Just things less precise and a bit more generic. I'd even make Mera's hydrokinesis more potent when she's welding the trident.

The trident I'd have be Poseidon-Lite. Which the Poseidon Blessing basically was.

The blessing, gave him cyrokinesis, earth control, electrokinesis, flight, Teleportation which would of been cool if he could use to summon Sealife to his aid. I also like the idea of the trident changing it's weapon stance. In something like Injustice it could of offered a different playing style. It also branched him a bit out from other sea related characters. Like Triton and Namor who have tridents. I'd still keep him a bit grounded I'd just have the abilities there for use if he wanted to.

It would act as a composite Trident under my pen. Which would give Magical Protection, Anti magic capabilities, Magical boost, Energy Absorption and/or redirection, Indestructible trident.

No

Hmmmm....Aquaman shouldn't carry the trident around on him imo. It should be a reincarnation of Poseidon himself. It should be used as a hax/destroyer-like/wmd that he only brings out when Earth is phucked because the power he unleashes is Skyfather tier. He should be the ONLY one to handle it as he is the King if the Seas and any creature with remote connection to water life from tadpoles to seagulls to Leviathons to Water Elementals would bow before him while weilding it. The air around him should visibly crackle with energy when it's in use and he should literally walk on water. He should also not be in character when using it as he albeit temporarily is imbused with the might and power of Poseidon. The longer he weilds it the more susceptible he becomes to losing his humanity and there's also the threat that he will lose control and threatens anyone in his vicinity or anyone remotely disruptive to sea life.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No

No

Hmmmm....Aquaman shouldn't carry the trident around on him imo. It should be a reincarnation of Poseidon himself. It should be used as a hax/destroyer-like/wmd that he only brings out when Earth is phucked because the power he unleashes is Skyfather tier. He should be the ONLY one to handle it as he is the King if the Seas and any creature with remote connection to water life from tadpoles to seagulls to Leviathons to Water Elementals would bow before him while weilding it. The air around him should visibly crackle with energy when it's in use and he should literally walk on water. He should also not be in character when using it as he albeit temporarily is imbused with the might and power of Poseidon. The longer he weilds it the more susceptible he becomes to losing his humanity and there's also the threat that he will lose control and threatens anyone in his vicinity or anyone remotely disruptive to sea life.

Fair enough.

Though you did have a line that mirrors what I said, to be fair.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Fair enough.

Though you did have a line that mirrors what I said, to be fair.

True 😂😂. I just like busting your balls. I seriously would love to see AM with a boost though. Even if it comes with a price. His temperament while wielding the trident should be mercurial imo

Originally posted by Sin I AM
True 😂😂. I just like busting your balls. I seriously would love to see AM with a boost though. Even if it comes with a price. His temperament while wielding the trident should be mercurial imo

lol.

A lot of what I had in mind would be done in stories that focus on making it absolutely undeniable that this guy is the king of a world that Humans can't even begin to fathom. And that he protects the surface from the ocean as much as he protects the ocean from the surface. I would use some of the Poseidon stuff mind you, but I'd probably do it with the ceremonial armour, like he had in OWAW.

I wouldn't make the trident too powerful, because I honestly like the visual aspect of being a melee fighter with a weapon that isn't his fists. The League has enough brawlers already.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, I honestly wouldn't like to see him be able to do those kinds of things. But that's personal preference.

Nice 👆

It harkens back to preboot, when he left that guy surrounded by sharks and left them to decide the guy's fate.

Forgot that guys name, PAD run with the Gold armor and killed Aquaman's Dolphin mother.

Lol, alot of stuff PAD did for Aquaman is referenced in the New52 which is great. I really enjoy the reimaginings of such a great run, glad somethings are changed though and some kept.

I really wonder where Aquaman would of been today of PAD didn't get any editorial interference and was allowed to do what he wanted.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace

I'm strangely drawn to this Aquaman...
😏

May have to start reading AQ again.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I seriously would love to see AM with a boost though. Even if it comes with a price. His temperament while wielding the trident should be mercurial imo

As cool as it would be to see Aquaman get an upgrade that's, Hal Parralax or Flash God of Death type thing for an arc. Just because he's never had one, I think it would be cool. I wouldn't make him to OP though either I'd increase his versatility more than his power output.

I like the idea of him calling on his trident though, I think in the first Injustice Game he'd portal his trident to himself. Would of been a cool way to keep both tridents even. Poseidon Blessing he summons every once in awhile, and the Dead King's trident he carries around on avg.

If they want to give him any short term power amp, I think a fun way to do it, is have him wear all the Atlantean relics and have some special effects given his lineage.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Control over the storm... Wind and rain... Thunder and lightning?

I'm strangely drawn to this Aquaman...
😏

May have to start reading AQ again.

TBH as cool as the powers are, if you read the Bunn's run I'd suggest doing so in a way where your not looking at the character as Aquaman. I liked alot of Cullen Bunn's ideas and concepts but his characterization was really off.

Phucjers, a more handsome and beautiful poster has already shown that scan,on page 1.