Why isn't Bane's "strongest" accolades taken seriously?

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Ursumeles Traitor

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Just another reason to love that little ball of death and destruction

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Beniboybling Worst Member

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Rockydonovang freedom fighter

is this source the same one that stated bastilla was kenobi level and that malak was>dooku?

Emperordmb LSDMB

Nah, that's Wizards of the Coast.

Wizards of the Coast is the worst source ever.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Yeah. Dooku/Mace are factually more skilled and more powerful than post-KotOR Revan, never mind Malak off the SF. Either of them would stomp him.

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah. Dooku/Mace are factually more skilled and more powerful than post-KotOR Revan, never mind Malak off the SF. Either of them would stomp him.

technically speaking only mace is factually> power wise though logically dooku would be as well

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Dooku is more powerful than Mace per Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Quote?

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It's Yoda's opinion, but I trust him on the matter.

"Hm." Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our greatest student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our greatest failure."

-- Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

This is ambiguous but may also refer to the same thing, and it's from an omniscient perspective:

On the other side of the galaxy, the Order's most gifted apprentice reached out to tap a lightsaber with the toe of his boot. Count Dooku grimaced.

-- Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Both of those reference Dooku as a Padawan, not as a Sith Lord, hence the words "student" and "apprentice".

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It refers to Dooku as a Jedi in general. Those terms are because Yoda trained him. It sounds to me like Yoda's referring to all Jedi of younger generations compared to himself. Unless you're suggesting that the loss of Dooku at 70 years of age was mostly because of his accomplishments in his teens and twenties...

Dooku became more powerful as a Sith Lord than as a Jedi. If he was more powerful than Mace as a Jedi, then he'd obviously be more powerful as a Sith.

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

yoda would definitely be biased towards dooku considering that its only during the fight at the end of the novel yoda lets go of his love for dooku.Besides didn't shatterpoint say mace was at the top of class as a padawan? Anyway, regardless of how gifted dooku may have been as an apprentince, mace was factually more powerful as a jedi master.

Mace was also got a boost at the end of shatterpoint which was closer to rots than dooku turning to the darkside

SunRazer Back From The Dead

The other Jedi seem to be in agreement with him, as well. Also, I'm arguing for the quote referring to Dooku as a Master as well, not just as an apprentice.

IIRC, Mace's quotes of supremacy all come from before Dooku's conception, and he's had no quotes putting him above all other Jedi bar Dooku since AotC. In that case, Dooku's quote could easily be seen as a retcon.

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

Originally posted by SunRazer
The other Jedi seem to be in agreement with him, as well. Also, I'm arguing for the quote referring to Dooku as a Master as well, not just as an apprentice.

IIRC, Mace's quotes of supremacy all come from before Dooku's conception, and he's had no quotes putting him above all other Jedi bar Dooku since AotC. In that case, Dooku's quote could easily be seen as a retcon.


1. You mean them turning away? I always interpreted that as them just sympathising with yoda.
2. Which yet again can defintiely be subjective considering what I stated above.
3. Well shatterpoint was after aotc and reffered to dooku multiple times. Also it snot directly contradicted by anything.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It's subjective, but I'm treating it as reliable.

And Shatterpoint comes after AotC, but so what? There's no mention of Mace > Dooku there, to my memory. Mace grew stronger, but so did Dooku upon turning to the dark side, and he probably grows by a greater extent. So we're back at Dooku ~>= Mace.

cs_zoltan Senior Member

Objective sources say Mace > Jedi Dooku tho. So obviously Yoda just has his mouth full of Dooku's balls 🙂

Deronn_solo King Yami

Nova just refuses to accept the fact that Mace is > Dooku. 😂

SunRazer Back From The Dead
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Objective sources say Mace > Jedi Dooku tho. So obviously Yoda just has his mouth full of Dooku's balls 🙂

That's why I'm saying it's a retcon. 🙂

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nova just refuses to accept the fact that Mace is > Dooku. 😂

**** off, dumb yank.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by SunRazer
That's why I'm saying it's a retcon. 🙂

Character opinion retconing objecive srouce? That's rich. Even more so because in the same novel Yoda says Mace is at least equal to Dooku in neutral ground. So if Mace = Sith Dooku, how could Jedi Dooku be > Mace?

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's subjective, but I'm treating it as reliable.

And Shatterpoint comes after AotC, but so what? There's no mention of Mace > Dooku there, to my memory. Mace grew stronger, but so did Dooku upon turning to the dark side, and he probably grows by a greater extent. So we're back at Dooku ~>= Mace.


1. Given that it contradicts omniscient fact files, and its from someone who states multiple his love for dooku, I take the fact file over it.
2. Actually it was in Republic: Emissaries to Malastare, which is still well after aotc came out. Windu was stated as being at the top of his class.
3. Speculation. I could argue that given mace was younger than dooku, he could have grown more over tcw in addition to his growth in shatterpoint.