List of duelists who can break Kenobi's defense

Originally posted by Petrus

Literally breaks RotS Kenobi's defense and proceeds to TK him.

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And Maul obviously never faced RotS Kenobi, but based on his Rebels showings, he'd still be capable of doing it.

First off none of what you've shown is remotely close to what grevious did.

Second off, way to take things out of context. Maul landing multiple kicks on kenobi was an isolated moment in a fight kenobi was winning despite having been kod twice and tortured extensively beforehand. Despite kenobi being an absolute wreck, when enraged, right before that second gif you posted, kenobi was able to steadily drive maul back with his speed/strength what the op is discussing.
You can say maul was rusty here(not that should have anything to do with his ability to move faster than kenobi can react or hit stronger than kenobi can withstand.), but on florrum he was on the losing end of their saber bout in spite of his brother's help and kenobi using a secondary form.

While suggesting either could do what grevious did to each other did is asinine, the case for kenobi being able to do it looking at how he fared as a duelist vs maul in tcw is much better

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
First off none of what you've shown is remotely close to what grevious did.

Second off, way to take things out of context. Maul landing multiple kicks on kenobi was an isolated moment in a fight kenobi was winning

"We're outmatched"
- Kenobi to Ventress

Originally posted by Kurk
"We're outmatched"
- Kenobi to Ventress

https://youtu.be/DlJiphrbLyg?t=2m8s

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
https://youtu.be/DlJiphrbLyg?t=2m8s

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Which yet again, isn't even close to grevious moving too fast for kenobi to react
Second off, yes kenobi was outmatched, after in addition to getting physically wrecked and mentally thrown off beforehand, maul using dun moch on a kenobi who already had no buisness fighting. Prior to that he was losing

Maul has footed the upper hand on Grievous though.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Maul has footed the upper hand on Grievous though.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Not really. Their first fight was inconclusive with grevious landing a kick on maul. The second fight was interrupted, an interruption maul took advantage off to bfr grevious with a force blast while he was distracted. There was never an indication of a clear superior. IMO they're equals in a fight with grevious being more skilled and physically superior, but maul having use of the force. Regardless if we're using kenobi as the point of comparison, grevious's performances(purely in a dueling sense, not counting force use) vs tcw kenobi have been significantly better than maul's(maul on the losing end, grievous on the winning end) and while grevious has fought kenobi with the unfavorable context of a style disadvantage(if we go by legends), maul has fought kenobi in generally favorable circumstances. Furhermore grevious has beaten season 7 kenobi, someone who would be superior, if marginally as a duelist to season4/5 grevious. More relevant to the discussion here, physically grevious outclasses maul which yet again can be backedup by comparing their performances to kenobi and is faster.
Off course in an overall fight, maul's use fo the force copensate for this but as per whats being discussed here, maul cannot hope to replicate grevious's overloading of rots kenobi's defenses

While Maul obviously isn't overloading ROTS Kenobi's defenses I still don't understand Kenobi's style advantage. Grievous is trained in all lightsaber Forms. Plus Soresu doesn't have an advantage to any Form. It's advantage depends on the other combatant and the user of the Form.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
While Maul obviously isn't overloading ROTS Kenobi's defenses I still don't understand Kenobi's style advantage. Grievous is trained in all lightsaber Forms. Plus Soresu doesn't have an advantage to any Form. It's advantage depends on the other combatant and the user of the Form.

Regardless its not really needed to argue for grevious vs maul dueling wise as grevious as a duelist stalemated/beat tcw kenobi each time by virue of the blade, neither of which maul has replicated despite having context favoring him in both duels(though there was context against him in the first of their bouts) and fighting inferior versions of kenobi

Caedus

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
WTF is malgus being mentioned here. Malgus has nothing putting him above kenobi speed wise(or putting him on par for that matter)

Satele Shan is officially stated to be unbelievably fast but Darth Malgus had no trouble keeping-up with her moves.

Look at this:

You see that Lightsaber in slow motion? This is the level of speed Satele Shan could achieve on average. Not surprisingly, she blitzed any foe in her path with the exception of Darth Malgus. Watch the entire video and you will see how fast those Sith Warriors could swing a Lightsaber.

Ayn Leener has one of the greatest speed feats in the mythos but Darth Malgus was able to keep-up with her moves during the duel. Check the "speed" section in this blog: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/aryn-leener-respect-thread/102062/

You seem ill-informed about TOR related stuff.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
and strength wise even a physically stronger anh vader couldn't break the guard of a physically out of shape ben kenobi.

Darth Malgus would not have such psychological hindrances. His technique is also noted to be flawless.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

His technique is also noted to be flawless.

Such bold claims are to be taken with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Such bold claims are to be taken with a grain of salt.

Leneer perceiving time within nanoseconds and reaction faster than any machine could, is just as good, if not flat out better, than anything Kenobi has in the speed department.

Quite, leaving Dooku baffled by his speed is not miles ahead of that at all. 😂

Wasn't that scene pretty much from Jace's POV? Because the whole thing was in slow motion even before Satele arrived, it could just be there to be all cool looking. That scene has got to be one of the dumbest things ever though, who drags a guy in the middle of a battle to give him an elaborate death?? Like just kill him already, there's no need to drag it out.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite, leaving Dooku baffled by his speed is not miles ahead of that at all. 😂

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Wasn't that scene pretty much from Jace's POV? Because the whole thing was in slow motion even before Satele arrived, it could just be there to be all cool looking. That scene has got to be one of the dumbest things ever though, who drags a guy in the middle of a battle to give him an elaborate death?? Like just kill him already, there's no need to drag it out.

It's obviously not from Jace's POV since it's from behind him. Nevertheless, that's just cinematic editing for dramatic effect. By the time Satele is moving, it goes back to normal speed.

Not to mention that later on, there's more slow-mo scenes and Satele is also moving in slow motion in those scenes. She's not exempt from that at all. It's just editing for dramatic effect.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's obviously not from Jace's POV since it's from behind him. Nevertheless, that's just cinematic editing for dramatic effect. By the time Satele is moving, it goes back to normal speed.

Not to mention that later on, there's more slow-mo scenes and Satele is also moving in slow motion in those scenes. She's not exempt from that at all. It's just editing for dramatic effect.

Eh fair enough then, I figured.

Still tho...that unnecessary death setup! I could almost forgive it, if they didn't show him being dragged.

It's like what...they had to get the perfect spot for his execution?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh fair enough then, I figured.

Still tho...that unnecessary death setup! I could almost forgive it, if they didn't show him being dragged.

It's like what...they had to get the perfect spot for his execution?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite, leaving Dooku baffled by his speed is not miles ahead of that at all. 😂

no? 😬