Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes? No one cares about those shitty feats when magnaguards have near light speed reflexes and Ezra Bridger can move faster than thought.
The speed of thought is probably not even faster than sound depending on your scale - it's nowhere near nanosecond reaction time, lmao. Near relativistic reflexes isn't as good as seeing nanoseconds as other basically see seconds either.
Plus, depending on how literal we take the reacting faster any machine could - we're looking at a feat that supersedes even nanoseconds, and can only be surpassed through scaling.
Originally posted by MythLordTbfh, I'm not impressed by his hyberbolic gumpf in the slightest. Malgus managed to keep up with her just fine.
Also, there's sources stating that Form III Soresu masters(Obi being the master) are trained to block lightspeed-fast projectiles.Everyone and their grandmom's were perceiving time in nanoseconds in the RotS novel.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloUhuh, the point is that authors throw out all kinds of ultra-fast quantifiers for even the lowliest of fodder. Fisto was able to obliterate said magnaguards without them so much as them connecting with his blade, Ezra Bridger hadn't even undergone training when he pulled off that feat. And given the authors are just pulling this shit out of their asses it ceases to have any real value.
The speed of thought is probably not even faster than sound depending on your scale - it's nowhere near nanosecond reaction time, lmao. Near relativistic reflexes isn't as good as seeing nanoseconds as other basically see seconds either.Plus, depending on how literal we take the reacting faster any machine could - we're looking at a feat that [b]supersedes
even nanoseconds, and can only be surpassed through scaling. [/B]
Speed feats relative to an actual opponent are far more credible, in which respect Leneer doesn't compare.
Originally posted by MythLord
Also, there's sources stating that Form III Soresu masters(Obi being the master) are trained to block lightspeed-fast projectiles.Everyone and their grandmom's were perceiving time in nanoseconds in the RotS novel.
This one?
"Of all the seven forms," her Master had told her, "Form Three, with its emphasis on anticipating and blocking lightspeed energy blasts, requires the greatest connection to the Force. The road is long, but it is worth the journey, for a true master of Form Three is invincible."- Medstar 2: Jedi Healer
Of course, there's also something to be said for that, as the Jedi Path states similar.
The Third Form, Soresu, also known as the Resilence Form, or Way of the Mynockm is the ultimate expression of defense and its masters are said to be impervious to all forms of attack.- Taken from Jedi Path
Uhuh, the point is that authors throw out all kinds of ultra-fast quantifiers for even the lowliest of fodder. Fisto was able to obliterate said magnaguards without them so much as them connecting with his blade
I mean, it's not totally impossible that MagnaGuards are sporting near relativistic reflexes, though given Stover's flare for over-the-top hyperbolic , and at times, melodramatic writing, I wouldn't directly take it at face value.
Even then, it's a good feat for Fisto's and puts him in the range of Obi-Wan's and and Maul's of the world in that department. Much Like Leneer's feat does for her.
Ezra Bridger hadn't even undergone training when he pulled off that feat.
Babe, babe, baaaabe.
Stop being so dense about this. 🙂
As I said before, the speed of thought isn't that fast at all [relatively speaking of course], and is waaaay below the speed feats shown by the Obi-Wan/Maul's class.
And given the authors are just pulling this shit out of their asses it ceases to have any real value.
- Actively viewing the world as if it was in slow-motion, to where a simple sentence seemed like a "life time"
- Reacting faster than the computers on board the freighter she was aboard.
- Seeing sub-lights ships, approaching light speed and about to head into hyperspace, as if they stopped and stretched.
Even if the term nanoseconds wasn't used in this particular instance, I would still argue it's a legit nanosecond feat - the confirmation is just icing on the cake.
The feat is legit, arguing it's not because of a few others instances in the mythos is, how does Az love it put it, an argument from incredulity.
Speed feats relative to an actual opponent are far more credible, in which respect Leneer doesn't compare.
Says the person who wanks Plagueis' subjective, and ignorantly vaunted, "lightning" fast showings, lmao. Stop being a hypocrite. In those case, I don't need to. The speed Leneer showed when interacting with the real world [which is, y'know how we judge most feats in Star Wars] is proof enough.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloMany authors are, we can either take them all at face value, or none, either way in we reach similar conclusions, a vague notion that these guys are super special quick.
I mean, it's not totally impossible that MagnaGuards are sporting near relativistic reflexes, though given Stover's flare for over-the-top hyperbolic , and at times, melodramatic writing, I wouldn't directly take it at face value.Even then, it's a good feat for Fisto's and puts him in the range of Obi-Wan's and and Maul's of the world in that department. Much Like Leneer's feat does for her.
Taken literally though, if Magnaguards can react at near-light speeds then Fisto can do far better, perceiving and reacting to lightspeeds and/or machine like speeds shouldn't be a challenge for him any more than it was for Aryn. Whereas someone like Dooku should have far better reactions, an yet the velocity of Kenobi's movements left him temporarily baffled. When you consider that Leneer could only achieve that level of perception in a trance like state, she's left behind in the dust tbh. 🙁
Babe, babe, baaaabe.We're not talking about Maul and Kenobi, we're talking about shitty fighters like Leneer, who can what, react faster than a machine? Yeah actually moving faster than thought isn't really far off.Stop being so dense about this. 🙂
As I said before, the speed of thought isn't that fast at all [relatively speaking of course], and is waaaay below the speed feats shown by the Obi-Wan/Maul's class.
If it was just some throw away "she moved faster than a nanosecond" such and such statement, this viewpoint will have more merit, but it wasn't. She actively does things that a person within the nanoseconds range would be doing,Fair, shame she seemingly couldn't maintain it for long, and never achieved anything similar in combat. 🙁- Actively viewing the world as if it was in slow-motion, to where a simple sentence seemed like a "life time"
- Reacting faster than the computers on board the freighter she was aboard.
- Seeing sub-lights ships, approaching light speed and about to head into hyperspace, as if they stopped and stretched.
Even if the term nanoseconds wasn't used in this particular instance, I would still argue it's a legit nanosecond feat - the confirmation is just icing on the cake.
The feat is legit, arguing it's not because of a few others instances in the mythos is, how does Az love it put it, an argument from incredulity.
Says the person who wanks Plagueis' subjective, and ignorantly vaunted, "lightning" fast showings, lmao. Stop being a hypocrite. In those case, I don't need to. The speed Leneer showed when interacting with the real world [which is, y'know how we judge most feats in Star Wars] is proof enough.Sorry what? Never ignorantly vaunted anything dear. In fact I am consistently right and correct. In this case I didn't criticise you for using the feat, simply giving it far more weight that it deserves. Especially when she's done nothing remotely Kenobi level in actual combat.