Originally posted by darthgoober
DD is solar powered and when he came out of the ground he'd been deprived of solar energy for thousands of years after getting "killed".
Doomsday's earlier forms were solar powered. He didn't suddenly became weaker because he was trapped in a coffin.
There's no reason to think that he'd yet reached the level he was at when he took on the Guardian when he didn't do anything in the DOS arc on the level of his tearing through the GL corp and taking on that Guardian.
He didn't have a GL ring for himself. The blast was all his durability though.
Yes he was becoming more powerful as the fight went on but it certainly wasn't definitive that he'd reached the levels he was fighting at in that arc(which seemed much more along the lines of him in Hunter Prey).
Hunter Prey was a different beast altogether.
As for Supes/Icon... Hell maybe it was the hardest he'd been hit. Or maybe it was the writer not taking Supes's past fights into consideration. Either way, Supes himself made a direct and specific comparison between the Warrior and DD which makes the statement hold quite a bit of water.
So no, it doesn't works like that way.
I mean people make a big deal out of Booster's offhand statement about DD being faster than Flash or Supes noting that DD was more powerful than Lobo. For that matter, haven't you shown Bullseye saying that Batman hits harder than Daredevil as if it's pretty telling?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 and he had adapted to the energies. And had adapted to Calaton etc.
He adapted like thousands of years later..... After dying first.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So lightning strikes? He'd adapt to it too.
Originally posted by darthgoober
DD is solar powered and when he came out of the ground he'd been deprived of solar energy for thousands of years after getting "killed". There's no reason to think that he'd yet reached the level he was at when he took on the Guardian when he didn't do anything in the DOS arc on the level of his tearing through the GL corp and taking on that Guardian. Yes he was becoming more powerful as the fight went on but it certainly wasn't definitive that he'd reached the levels he was fighting at in that arc(which seemed much more along the lines of him in Hunter Prey).
That's a very good point.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday's earlier forms were solar powered. He didn't suddenly became weaker because he was trapped in a coffin.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't have a GL ring for himself. The blast was all his durability though.Hunter Prey was a different beast altogether.
I didn't even mention the ring so I'm really not seeing your point here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He has made several such allegations regarding Doomsday himself like he was far stronger than Lobo and strongest being he ever faced which includes pre crisis kryptonians .He also koed Warrior with two punches right after that.So no, it doesn't works like that way.
And I consider his saying that DD was stronger than Lobo to be totally creditable. Now as for PC Krytonians there wasn't a direct comparison made but I don't even have a problem with that kind of extrapolation either as long it's taken with the logical grain of salt. Hell Kryptonians had already started being portrayed on a more reasonable level for a while even before COIE went down. As for him KOing Warrior easily after that, Supes got upgraded after the DOS saga. Supes himself was outright stronger than he had been when he fought DD so his KOing someone who was stronger than DD isn't that much of a stretch. Especially since he only noted that Warrior was stronger than DD, not necessarily more durable.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well then, Doomsday is stronger than pre crisis kryptonians? Right?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
👆That's a very good point.
Originally posted by darthgoober
DD is solar powered and when he came out of the ground he'd been deprived of solar energy for thousands of years after getting "killed". There's no reason to think that he'd yet reached the level he was at when he took on the Guardian when he didn't do anything in the DOS arc on the level of his tearing through the GL corp and taking on that Guardian. Yes he was becoming more powerful as the fight went on but it certainly wasn't definitive that he'd reached the levels he was fighting at in that arc,.
Of course he did. He took on Superman going balls out dumping his entire energy out in the middle of Metropolis with the fate of Earth on the line. That's way above a Guardian and some GLs.
Originally posted by darthgooberWhere are you getting this from?
Yeah people always overlook that fact. Just look at the difference between black suit Supes and Pre DOS Supes for an example of just how different a freshly revived Kryptonian can be from one who's been absorbing solar energy for a while. Now DD is obviously different in many ways than the standard Kryptonian, but the fact that he himself is also a solar battery means that we can't simply assume that he was back up to GL Corp busting levels less than a day after being active again.
Remember when sunlight touched SBP?
Or in the Ruin arc, when sun finally hit Superman and he jumped straight to full power seemingly and ended the battle?
And dozens of other examples.
Sunlight is more of catalyst for immense power than a fuel.
Yes, they have a reserve, but they are also a direct funnell that PULLS energy to fill the NEED for energy as it happens.
Typically, they jump directly to their operating levels the moment sun touches them.
Alternatively, RED SUN is written a catalyst to turning the power off. Which we learned when they gave the Red Sun Watch to Chris Kent to turn his power off.
As for Black Suit Superman, its that he not only got put in stasis, but Eradicator, stole Superman's body and was using it to fuel himself for a year, keeping Superman 'dead' all that time, stunted Superman's power from returning, and then later Eradicator took the blast for him, which hit Superman and jump-started his power again.
And just in case we were going to bring up 52/OYL next, that was Superman's own subconscious keeping him powerless. The moment he wanted/needed his powers, they returned at the level he needed them at to accomplish tasks.
Originally posted by Juntai
Of course he did. He took on Superman going balls out dumping his entire energy out in the middle of Metropolis with the fate of Earth on the line. That's way above a Guardian and some GLs.
Originally posted by Juntai
Where are you getting this from?Remember when sunlight touched SBP?
Or in the Ruin arc, when sun finally hit Superman and he jumped straight to full power seemingly and ended the battle?
And dozens of other examples.
Sunlight is more of catalyst for immense power than a fuel.
Yes, they have a reserve, but they are also a direct funnell that PULLS energy to fill the NEED for energy as it happens.
Typically, they jump directly to their operating levels the moment sun touches them.Alternatively, RED SUN is written a catalyst to turning the power off. Which we learned when they gave the Red Sun Watch to Chris Kent to turn his power off.
Originally posted by Juntai
As for Black Suit Superman, its that he not only got put in stasis, but Eradicator, stole Superman's body and was using it to fuel himself for a year, keeping Superman 'dead' all that time, stunted Superman's power from returning, and then later Eradicator took the blast for him, which hit Superman and jump-started his power again.And just in case we were going to bring up 52/OYL next, that was Superman's own subconscious keeping him powerless. The moment he wanted/needed his powers, they returned at the level he needed them at to accomplish tasks.
Hey I'm not saying that the whole thing is written with 100% consistancy, just that there's a precedent for Kryptonian's power reserves being critical to their performance as well. The whole reason Supes went down so hard at the end was because he'd burned through his power reserves(and Supes himself mentioned earlier in the fight that he'd be in trouble if DD's power reserves were as extensive as his own). The sun was still up when the fight ended after all, if it was nothing more than a catalyst he'd have simply been KO'd rather than being thrown into seemingly death like state he ended up in. For that matter, if it were simply a catalyst then a single sundip would remain a permeant state. I'm in no way suggesting that simple exposure to sunlight isn't enough to make them plenty powerful, just that they become more and more powerful as they absorb more and more solar energy. I'm all but positive that this has been specifically mentioned on panel.
you need to rationalize battle damage/energy expenditure as independent but related as a concept.
There is zero evidence to support Doomsday was any less.
And on the flip side we have many examples of sunlight utilized and described directly as turning power on or off.
If you want to continue down the Doomsday was weakened path you'll need evidence.
Originally posted by Juntai
you need to rationalize battle damage/energy expenditure as independent but related as a concept.There is zero evidence to support Doomsday was any less.
And on the flip side we have many examples of sunlight utilized and described directly as turning power on or off.
If you want to continue down the Doomsday was weakened path you'll need evidence.
And I'm reasonably sure that for every instance you can come up with for solar energy being shown as a simple "on/off" switch, an instance can be produced of Supes having his solar energy partially drained and being weakened(but not totally powerless) from it.
Originally posted by darthgooberDoomsday was bony from the start, but they got more pronounced and sharper as he needed them. This is part of his adaptation. We also saw in Hunter Prey where used his bones to cover his ears momentarily when he wanted.
Again, he bone protrusions support DD being less. He was becoming more and more like the DD who took on the GL Corp as the fight went on and more of is skin was exposed to sunlight. It's not like they were protruding and the suit was simply wrapped tightly around them, they weren't there.
There is zero evidence he was less.
Also Juntai, I'm not saying that the novelization of the DOS saga in canon but I just remembered something from it that raises a question I've been meaning to ask a Supes expert for a while. In the novel they talked about Supes's power reserves quite a bit and at one point it was said that Supes's heat vision drained his reserves particularly fast, did this scene play out in a comic prior to the actual DOS saga or is it something that appeared only in the novel?