Originally posted by JBL
Exactly!! He started to fight like doomsday, giving it all he had. Zero strength increase on supermans part.
I wonder if that applies to Thor since he has fought Hulk who tends to get stronger by the second and Thor is still able to keep up. Hell, Wolverine has fought an enraged Hulk for hours and it was stated Hulk was growing stronger and Wolverine was still keeping up.
After seeing the same, tired BS for the last 10+ years, the idiotic attempts to lowball/discredit/ignore don't really come as a surprise anymore... It still makes me chuckle, though. 👆
Doomsday grew more powerful as the battle progressed, and in turn, Superman had to become more powerful by removing his mental blocks. These facts were explicitly shown/stated on panel... Yet people are still pretending that Superman's strength didn't increase at all from the beginning of the arc to the end..? ElOhEl.
No one is that stupid, so clearly people are just trolling at this point. 😂
Originally posted by Galan007I actually think some of the people here -are- that stupid but it doesnt make you any less correct. 😎
After seeing the same, tired BS for the last 10+ years, the idiotic attempts to lowball/discredit/ignore don't really come as a surprise anymore... It still makes me chuckle, though. 👆Doomsday grew more powerful as the battle progressed, and in turn, Superman had to become more powerful by removing his mental blocks. These facts were explicitly shown/stated on panel... Yet people are still pretending that Superman's strength didn't increase at all from the beginning of the arc to the end..? ElOhEl.
No one is that stupid, so clearly people are just trolling at this point. 😂
U guys are actually saying the same thing... Somewhat....
One side is saying Clark is getting stronger because he is gradually letting his mental blocks go. Which means his blows were getting stronger over all. Sounds good to me.
The other side is saying he is not really getting stronger because technically his strength was always there. He just let loose more as the battle called for it and especially towards the end when he really went all out. Can't really argue there.
One side is putting more emphasis on the amount of strength used as the fight progresses and the other side is putting more emphasis on his "real" maximum output(whatever that is).
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Fair enough. The problem with this however is in the application of the fact that Superman's limit is not static. He's not only finding this power inside of himself, though he did spend his reserves his well. When Superman is angry or stressed, he draws in and outputs drastically more power. Emil Hamilton noted it during the Ruin arc, being one of DC Earth's experts on how Superman's powers work and kryptonian physiology in general, he learned that Suprmans emotional state amplifies his power in this way.
U guys are actually saying the same thing... Somewhat....One side is saying Clark is getting stronger because he is gradually letting his mental blocks go. Which means his blows were getting stronger over all. Sounds good to me.
The other side is saying he is not really getting stronger because technically his strength was always there. He just let loose more as the battle called for it and especially towards the end when he really went all out. Can't really argue there.
One side is putting more emphasis on the amount of strength used as the fight progresses and the other side is putting more emphasis on his "real" maximum output(whatever that is).
Originally posted by cdtm
Some less then others. Superman is defined by his humanity and nobility. He cursed himself early in his career merely for breaking someone's jaw.Iron Fist or Batman wouldn't bat an eye at breaking a few bones. Nor would Thor.
I think your putting too much emphasis on it though. Any super powered earth bound hero deals with the same thing. Characters like Blue Marvel, Captain Marvel, Thing, Cage, Wonder Man, Colossus, etc,,, deal with it everytime they fight or deal with the public. I'm just not sure why this bares so much attention in this thread.
Batman and Iron Fist are street level characters. Thor is an Asgardian God who's regard for human life is probably somewhat less than most characters and yet he still has to deal with it. Simple things like shaking somebodys hand or lifting a glass to drink. Its all the same.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Where this particular discussion is concerned, it doesn't matter to me *how* or *why* Superman's powers increased along with Doomsday's during that battle... I just want people to stop pretending like his strength didn't increase at all. srsly
U guys are actually saying the same thing... Somewhat....One side is saying Clark is getting stronger because he is gradually letting his mental blocks go. Which means his blows were getting stronger over all. Sounds good to me.
The other side is saying he is not really getting stronger because technically his strength was always there. He just let loose more as the battle called for it and especially towards the end when he really went all out. Can't really argue there.
One side is putting more emphasis on the amount of strength used as the fight progresses and the other side is putting more emphasis on his "real" maximum output(whatever that is).
Originally posted by Juntai👆
Fair enough. The problem with this however is in the application of the fact that Superman's limit is not static. He's not only finding this power inside of himself, though he did spend his reserves his well. When Superman is angry or stressed, he draws in and outputs drastically more power. Emil Hamilton noted it during the Ruin arc, being one of DC Earth's experts on how Superman's powers work and kryptonian physiology in general, he learned that Suprmans emotional state amplifies his power in this way.
Okay, so he innately sponges up more solar radiation, as he loses control over himself in crisis situations? I can buy that, because it specifically stated in one of those DOS books that Superman questions whether or not Doomsday was actually becoming stronger. He then goes on to defeat him.
The question remains on whether or not DOS Doomsday was as strong, or stronger than this version of Kurse, or even remotely close to his strength level? There's also another question that persists to confuse me. Superman was far weaker during that era than he later became. Could he have been far weaker than Kurse back then as well?
Byrne Superman was still planetary. Causing seismic shocks hundreds of miles away etc.
Doomsday was strong enough that in his history he stomped over the GLC and a Guardian had to sacrifice himself to stop him.
The Radiant nearly blew a planet apart to stop him.
And Darkseid was scared of him.
The Doomsday that encountered Superman was stronger than all of these, because when he dies he comes back exponentially more powerful. Just as he did after Supes beat him when he returned in Hunter/Prey.
Originally posted by carver9So every time he's stressed his powers increase and ignore the times he's been beaten, needed help, etc.
The more energy he RETAINS? I'm sure everyone here knows what retain mean (keep possession of).
One scan represents every writers interpretation of him throughout continuity and anyone who disagrees is just wrong. Black and white.
Originally posted by Juntai
Doomsday was strong enough that in his history he stomped over the GLC and a Guardian had to sacrifice himself to stop him.The Radiant nearly blew a planet apart to stop him.
And Darkseid was scared of him.
The Doomsday that encountered Superman was stronger than all of these, because when he dies he comes back exponentially more powerful. Just as he did after Supes beat him when he returned in Hunter/Prey.
I understand all of that, but Thor alone has blown up planets. It still remains questionable whether or not the guys that faced DD and were beaten were simply painted as being fodder. It should also be noted that Thor alone has quite an impressive rogues gallery. You should google them. Some of these guys are extremely powerful, and Kurse treated Thor as if he were a child. Just something to think about, or consider when you recall all of Doomsday feats.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17👆
U guys are actually saying the same thing... Somewhat....One side is saying Clark is getting stronger because he is gradually letting his mental blocks go. Which means his blows were getting stronger over all. Sounds good to me.
The other side is saying he is not really getting stronger because technically his strength was always there. He just let loose more as the battle called for it and especially towards the end when he really went all out. Can't really argue there.
One side is putting more emphasis on the amount of strength used as the fight progresses and the other side is putting more emphasis on his "real" maximum output(whatever that is).
It's semantics. Bottom line is that Superman APPLIED more power than his average self. What good is strength if you can't unlock it? Superman unlocked his full strength. Thus he hit DD far harder at the end than he did in the hours before.
His average self is known to physically compete with other heralds (BA, WW, etc.). This final Superman was operating at a level wayyyy higher than his average self.
Originally posted by Stoic
I understand all of that, but Thor alone has blown up planets. It still remains questionable whether or not the guys that faced DD and were beaten were simply painted as being fodder. It should also be noted that Thor alone has quite an impressive rogues gallery. You should google them. Some of these guys are extremely powerful, and Kurse treated Thor as if he were a child. Just something to think about, or consider when you recall all of Doomsday feats.
When has Thor blown up a planet? I don't recall that.
Thor at times competed well with Kurse and started to actually beat him when using the belt of strength. This is when Kurse was 2x stronger. So someone 2x stronger treating Thor like a child (I disagree that this happened) would mean that any being 2x stronger would treat Thor like a child.
Originally posted by carver9The scan simply means that the more stress Superman endures, the more solar radiation his body naturally absorbs/metabolizes.
The more energy he RETAINS? I'm sure everyone here knows what retain mean (keep possession of).
That, along with removing his mental blocks and taxing his energy reserves, is why Supes was able to continuously increase his powers during the battle, and keep pace with DD's perpetual rage-boosts. 👆
