Originally posted by Galan007👆
The scan simply means that the more stress Superman endures, the more solar radiation his body naturally absorbs/metabolizes.That, along with removing his mental blocks, is why Supes was able to continuously increase his strength to keep pace with DD's own rage-boosts during the battle. 👆
Originally posted by h1a8Superman strength is set in stone period! He does not get any stronger UNLESS he sunamp or dip. He can use his full strength ANY TIME he wants. Going full strength does not mean he's dropping phoney mental blocks. His mental blocks are there to keep from constantly having to remind himself that regular people or weak villains would be killed if he made a mistake. So he trained himself mentally. Superman arm wrestling CM to see who was stronger was one example. Superman normal or bloodlusted is STILL in the same class as BA, CM and WW is not far behind and there are characters that are stronger than superman by a little and a lot. All this dynamic strength crap is in the minds of his misled fans.
👆It's semantics. Bottom line is that Superman APPLIED more power than his average self. What good is strength if you can't unlock it? Superman unlocked his full strength. Thus he hit DD far harder at the end than he did in the hours before.
His average self is known to physically compete with other heralds (BA, WW, etc.). This final Superman was operating at a level wayyyy higher than his average self.
Originally posted by h1a8
When has Thor blown up a planet? I don't recall that.
Thor at times competed well with Kurse and started to actually beat him when using the belt of strength. This is when Kurse was 2x stronger. So someone 2x stronger treating Thor like a child (I disagree that this happened) would mean that any being 2x stronger would treat Thor like a child.
The OP is calling for Kurse at 4x Thor strength, and this was the Kurse that treated him like a child. He pretty much had Beta Ray Bill, and Thor beaten. Bill is easily able to destroy planets, and if he can do this, Thor can as well. When Kurse was only 2x Thor, he was getting beaten, which was why the Beyonder gave him another strength increase.
Originally posted by JBL
Superman strength is set in stone period! He does not get any stronger UNLESS he sunamp or dip. He can use his full strength ANY TIME he wants. Going full strength does not mean he's dropping phoney mental blocks. His mental blocks are there to keep from constantly having to remind himself that regular people or weak villains would be killed if he made a mistake. So he trained himself mentally. Superman arm wrestling CM to see who was stronger was one example. Superman normal or bloodlusted is STILL in the same class as BA, CM and WW is not far behind and there are characters that are stronger than superman by a little and a lot. All this dynamic strength crap is in the minds of his misled fans.
There are several comics explaining Superman's mental blocks. Later on he couldn't release his mental blocks without meditation and training. It's not in Superman's character to fully unleash his might against someone like he did to DD (killing them in a few punches). If Superman hit any Herald like he did DD at the end then they will be dead too.
You can ignore on panel evidence if you want but I wouldn't advise that.
Originally posted by JBL😂 ❌
Superman strength is set in stone period! He does not get any stronger UNLESS he sunamp or dip. He can use his full strength ANY TIME he wants. Going full strength does not mean he's dropping phoney mental blocks. His mental blocks are there to keep from constantly having to remind himself that regular people or weak villains would be killed if he made a mistake. So he trained himself mentally. Superman arm wrestling CM to see who was stronger was one example. Superman normal or bloodlusted is STILL in the same class as BA, CM and WW is not far behind and there are characters that are stronger than superman by a little and a lot. All this dynamic strength crap is in the minds of his misled fans.
As we've seen on numerous occasions over the years: Superman's powers can(and often do) increase astronomically in the midst of battle. ie. when he removes his mental blocks and becomes angry/enraged/bloodlusted, his power grows by proxy. Moreover, when he becomes angry/enraged/bloodlusted, his cells naturally start absorbing and metabolizing more solar radiation than normal, which also boosts his power by proxy.
Any way you cut it, Superman's powers undeniably increase in-battle(the method by which this occurs notwithstanding.) Now does that mean he possesses 'true' dynamic strength in the same way a character like Hulk does? While some instances would allude to yes, more often than not Superman gains this added power when he stops holding back and taps into his energy reserves. So in most cases I would not equate his increases in power to dynamic strength in the typical sense.
The thing about Superman's 'reserves', however, is that they are, for all intents and purposes, unbounded. As his entire character history supports: the guy simply becomes as powerful as he needs to be in order to defeat the threat at hand(no matter how powerful.)
Take from that what you will. g007_sneaky
Yes it's false that superman drops mental blocks and double or triple his strength to win. He's the same as other heroes. Get written to win. Superman DOES NOT have hidden strength he can call upon. If that's the case, writers would not waste their time having him being stalemated or beaten by slightly stronger or many times stronger foes knowing that his fans THINK he can simply drop mental blocks??? LMAO. I can see misguided fans now.... Superman vs Kurse... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get stronger than Kurse and win.. oh superman vs WBH... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get strong enough to win. Arm wrestling CM and getting stalemated yet he has hidden locked away strength to win, writer didn't think so. Plenty other examples but it's a waste of time to tell his fans because that's their way to try and give superman the win in every vs thread he's in. Normal superman??? Going all out superman???? Non-holding back unrestrained superman??? Kurse would stomp each made up version in a contest of strength and laugh doing it and beat them the same easy way. Over power them and crush their skulls. Besides, if he had all this hidden strength, why do he need the rest of the JLA. He could simply drop his little mental blocks and go supersayian God superman and beat anything. Yet he sunamp or dip to get stronger. HA!!
Originally posted by JBL😆
Yes it's false that superman drops mental blocks and double or triple his strength to win. He's the same as other heroes. Get written to win. Superman DOES NOT have hidden strength he can call upon. If that's the case, writers would not waste their time having him being stalemated or beaten by slightly stronger or many times stronger foes knowing that his fans THINK he can simply drop mental blocks??? LMAO. I can see misguided fans now.... Superman vs Kurse... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get stronger than Kurse and win.. oh superman vs WBH... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get strong enough to win. Arm wrestling CM and getting stalemated yet he has hidden locked away strength to win, writer didn't think so. Plenty other examples but it's a waste of time to tell his fans because that's their way to try and give superman the win in every vs thread he's in. Normal superman??? Going all out superman???? Non-holding back unrestrained superman??? Kurse would stomp each made up version in a contest of strength and laugh doing it and beat them the same easy way. Over power them and crush their skulls. Besides, if he had all this hidden strength, why do he need the rest of the JLA. He could simply drop his little mental blocks and go supersayian God superman and beat anything. Yet he sunamp or dip to get stronger. HA!!
Originally posted by JBLYou're mixing arguments, lol. I never said that Superman can become "x times" more powerful when he cuts loose or whathaveyou... Just that his power DOES increase when the situation calls for it. That much is incontrovertible fact -- we've seen it time and time again, regardless of what title you opt to give it.
Yes it's false that superman drops mental blocks and double or triple his strength to win.
Originally posted by JBLDepends how you're defining 'hidden strength', I suppose. 🙂
Superman DOES NOT have hidden strength he can call upon.
Anywho, you should probably calm down a bit. Your hatred is blinding you.
Originally posted by tkitna
Not sure what this has to do with anything. Every super powered hero goes through the same thing.
Don't want to derail the thread, but why wasn't anyone else able to do what Superman and Doomday did to the Imperix Probes?
Why were their entire comic books written about superman training to remove this blocks. This shows that his blocks are on a whole different level of blocks than anyone else.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
👆 This is obvious to those of us who...you know...actually READ the story.If Doomsday were the only being getting stronger as the battle progressed, then Superman wouldn't have been able to continuously keep stepping up in order to keep pace with him. After all, Supes postulated that a kick from Doomsday(when he was still at his WEAKEST levels, mind you) may have been the hardest he'd EVER been hit up to that point:
IOW, Doomsday's strength continued to grow, thus Superman's MUST HAVE done the same. Heck, the bulk of their battle was about Superman removing his mental blocks so that he COULD become strong enough to win. Numerous bits of dialogue tell us this -- here are a few examples:
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When Superman finally realized that he needed to kill Doomsday to win -- THAT is when he began landing attacks that actually hurt the beast. This culminated with Supes packing all of his strength into one final attack, which 'killed' DD:
Back in the 90's they used to show superior strength in a battle of mercy. Used to happen all the time in wwe with Hull Hogan and others. Here Superman has him locked and breaks bones causing Doomsday pain. So it is clear superman was getting stronger and had caught up to doomsdays strength leve
Originally posted by DiesldudeDoomsday didn't give a rat's ass about anything. Superman was so worried about freaking Lois until he was told to basically fight like doomsday... Focusing on killing, destroying at ALL cost. In other words... Stop being this distracted, loving, caring punk and get your ass out their and destroy. He got no stronger, he just stopped being a b*tch and fought like DD.
Don't want to derail the thread, but why wasn't anyone else able to do what Superman and Doomday did to the Imperix Probes?Why were their entire comic books written about superman training to remove this blocks. This shows that his blocks are on a whole different level of blocks than anyone else.
Originally posted by DiesldudeClear huh? Where is that stated here? Or that's your assumptions?
👆Back in the 90's they used to show superior strength in a battle of mercy. Used to happen all the time in wwe with Hull Hogan and others. Here Superman has him locked and breaks bones causing Doomsday pain. So it is clear superman was getting stronger and had caught up to doomsdays strength leve
Originally posted by JBL👆
Yes it's false that superman drops mental blocks and double or triple his strength to win. He's the same as other heroes. Get written to win. Superman DOES NOT have hidden strength he can call upon. If that's the case, writers would not waste their time having him being stalemated or beaten by slightly stronger or many times stronger foes knowing that his fans THINK he can simply drop mental blocks??? LMAO. I can see misguided fans now.... Superman vs Kurse... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get stronger than Kurse and win.. oh superman vs WBH... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get strong enough to win. Arm wrestling CM and getting stalemated yet he has hidden locked away strength to win, writer didn't think so. Plenty other examples but it's a waste of time to tell his fans because that's their way to try and give superman the win in every vs thread he's in. Normal superman??? Going all out superman???? Non-holding back unrestrained superman??? Kurse would stomp each made up version in a contest of strength and laugh doing it and beat them the same easy way. Over power them and crush their skulls. Besides, if he had all this hidden strength, why do he need the rest of the JLA. He could simply drop his little mental blocks and go supersayian God superman and beat anything. Yet he sunamp or dip to get stronger. HA!!
Originally posted by JBL
Yes it's false that superman drops mental blocks and double or triple his strength to win. He's the same as other heroes. Get written to win. Superman DOES NOT have hidden strength he can call upon. If that's the case, writers would not waste their time having him being stalemated or beaten by slightly stronger or many times stronger foes knowing that his fans THINK he can simply drop mental blocks??? LMAO. I can see misguided fans now.... Superman vs Kurse... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get stronger than Kurse and win.. oh superman vs WBH... Oh, Superman can drop mental blocks and get strong enough to win. Arm wrestling CM and getting stalemated yet he has hidden locked away strength to win, writer didn't think so. Plenty other examples but it's a waste of time to tell his fans because that's their way to try and give superman the win in every vs thread he's in. Normal superman??? Going all out superman???? Non-holding back unrestrained superman??? Kurse would stomp each made up version in a contest of strength and laugh doing it and beat them the same easy way. Over power them and crush their skulls. Besides, if he had all this hidden strength, why do he need the rest of the JLA. He could simply drop his little mental blocks and go supersayian God superman and beat anything. Yet he sunamp or dip to get stronger. HA!!
Wait a minute, Superman and Doomsday wasn't getting more powerful as the story went on in DOS? Either they was or, under your comprehension of the story, Superman would have had to stay the same and Doomsday would have had to start getting weaker so Superman could take him down, that's backwards!!! 😑