Avengers enemies vs X-Men enemies

Here is LoM's argument, notice that instead of posting feats of the Sentinels resisting hacking, his argument boils down to Vision did it therefore so can the Sentinels.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets take a nice dump on this hacking idea of yours once and for all...

1st of all, Ultron is NOT this ultimate hacking character you are trying to make him out to be; he couldnt hack Vision, but he's supposed to be able to just insta hack 10000 Future Sentinels!?

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Get out of here with that garbage...

Vision was NOT a traditional machine that could just be hacked, and guess what?

Neither are the Future Sentinels; they are techno-organic just like Vision...

So once again, get out of here with that Ultron hacking the Sentinels garbage; the evidence points to him not being able to do it to them just like he couldnt do it to Vision...

And without Ultron being able to hack Sentinels your entire argument for the Avengers enemies winning falls apart...

Good day sir.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
My argument is that Vision's feat of being able to resist hacking can't be used to prove that the Sentinels can resist hacking, as feats don't transfer. especially between universes. it would be like using feats for Dr Strange to prove that Lois Lane can perform magic.

I'd also like to point out that Vision's brain is basically Jarvis, arguably the smartest AI on Earth. We can't assume that the sentinels can resist hacking just because Jarvis was able to resist hacking. That would be like saying any person trained in martial arts can beat Anderson Silva just because Chris Weidman was able to beat him.

TBH, Ultron was never shown to hack anything on the level of a Future Sentinel. I don't agree with the Vision argument, but I don't see the sentinels being susceptible to hacking or EMPs unless explicitly shown or up against tech thats severely above their level either. He's not wrong when he says they're pretty unconventional.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
TBH, Ultron was never shown to hack anything on the level of a Future Sentinel. I don't agree with the Vision argument, but I don't see the sentinels being susceptible to hacking or EMPs unless explicitly shown or up against tech thats severely above their level either. He's not wrong when he says they're pretty unconventional.

Would you say that spaceships are more advanced that a Future Sentinel?

Originally posted by Arachnid1
TBH, Ultron was never shown to hack anything on the level of a Future Sentinel. I don't agree with the Vision argument, but I don't see the sentinels being susceptible to hacking or EMPs unless explicitly shown or up against tech thats severely above their level either. He's not wrong when he says they're pretty unconventional.

Ultron's was powered by an Infinity gem. Pretty sure that's more advanced than any of the sentinels. I don't doubt that Ultron can control the sentinels as longs as those things have microchips. My biggest concern is whether the Sentinels actually have a medium that Ultron can tap into to hack them.

LoM doesn't make any valid arguments he just trolls. He is a joke.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Would you say that spaceships are more advanced that a Future Sentinel?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ultron's was powered by an Infinity gem. Pretty sure that's more advanced than any of the sentinels. I don't doubt that Ultron can control the sentinels as longs as those things have microchips. My biggest concern is whether the Sentinels actually have a medium that Ultron can tap into to hack them.

When did the sentinels recreate every single mutant power in the film ?? It was only a handful. Quit lying, arachnid.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
No, I wouldn't. Tech that allows a machine to recreate every super power it ever encountered is pretty far above everything I've seen in Marvel with the exception of the gems (they did say that magic in the MCU is just tech no one understands yet if I remember correctly). That seems more impressive to me than even all the Asgardian "tech" we've seen.

The fact that he was somewhat created by code from the scepter is the only thing that gives me pause. Despite that, he didn't showcase any gem abilities like Vision despite being powered from the same gem, so I can't really give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Their ability to adapt wasn't based on tech, it required Mystique's DNA. and as The MCU doesn't have any mutants that is hardly a fair comparison.

How about we compare things they actually have in common, does the X-verse have things like flying cars or fully functioning AI's?

Originally posted by Arachnid1

The fact that he was somewhat created by code from the scepter is the only thing that gives me pause. Despite that, he didn't showcase any gem abilities like Vision despite being powered from the same gem, so I can't really give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Well the ability being questioned here is whether he can hack, not whether he can shoot laser blasts. And Ultron does have feats of effortlessly hacking pretty much any electronic object he has tried to other than Vision.

Now, Ultorn has never hacked anything like the sentinels but then again the sentinels have never tried getting hacked by something like Ultron. So the best thing we can do is compare implied advancement of technology, in which case the mind gem is implied to be a lot more powerful and advanced than the sentinels.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Their ability to adapt wasn't based on tech, it required Mystique's DNA. and as The MCU doesn't have any mutants that is hardly a fair comparison.

How about we compare things they actually have in common, does the X-verse have things like flying cars or fully functioning AI's?

If we go that route, I likely wouldn't be able to argue it since it completely nulls the most impressive tech we saw in that universe. The fact that the MCU even has magic tech in their world that isn't as impressive says much. But to answer your question so you don't think I'm dodging the question, the X-men universe never showcased thinking/talking AI like Vision or Ultron.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
Well the ability being questioned here is whether he can hack, not whether he can shoot laser blasts. And Ultron does have feats of effortlessly hacking pretty much any electronic object he has tried to other than Vision.

Now, Ultorn has never hacked anything like the sentinels but then again the sentinels have never tried getting hacked by something like Ultron. So the best thing we can do is compare implied advancement of technology, in which case the mind gem is implied to be a lot more powerful and advanced than the sentinels.

How is that more impressive than creating flying cars, fully functioning AI's, devices that can open portals to other world's and disintegration weapons?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How is that more impressive than creating flying cars, fully functioning AI's, devices that can open portals to other world's and disintegration weapons?

The MCU has Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, their mutants

Without powers to copy, it can't do anything. whereas all the stuff I listed isn't dependent on outside forces to make them work.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
The MCU has Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, their mutants

Where and when were they stated to be mutants in the MCU?

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
The MCU has Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, their mutants

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The adaptability of it. You have a single piece of tech that can replicate a bunch of different abilities, from changing it's composition into solid diamond to shooting ice/fire. The Destroyer, for example, is one of the best pieces of Asgardian tech, but it's a one trick poney. It shoots lasers and can take a stupid amount of damage. Sure, it would beat a Future Sentinel in a fight since it's powerful as hell, but it's applications just aren't as impressive. A nuke would beat the worlds strongest super computer too. A future sentinel has abilites that come off as magical and can't really be understood, but is still considered tech like the gems

There are different ways to gauge advancement of technology. Though the sentinels do have a huge array of capabilities, they didn't display any sort of advanced intelligence, not on the level of Ultron, Vision, Jarvis or even Friday.

It's like asking which is more advanced: A bulletproof car or a self-driving car?

In the end, the ability to stop a hacking attempt is not dependent on how powerful a computer is but rather on how smart it is. So all of the sentinel's abilities don't mean squat against a hacking attack if it doesn't have the "brains" and security protocols to stop it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There are different ways to gauge advancement of technology. Though the sentinels do have a huge array of capabilities, they didn't display any sort of advanced intelligence, not on the level of Ultron, Vision, Jarvis or even Friday.

It's like asking which is more advanced: A bulletproof car or a self-driving car?

In the end, the ability to stop a hacking attempt is not dependent on how powerful a computer is but rather on how smart it is. So all of the sentinel's abilities don't mean squat against a hacking attack if it doesn't have the "brains" and security protocols to stop it.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I can agree with that but the argument of the sentinels being unhackable isn't from any idea that their AI is more advanced. It's more what they're comprised of. We don't understand the tech in that the fact that it can change conformation on the fly to become different materials and shoot all manner of energy attacks. They might not just be simple computers. They could be made out of nanobots, somekind of organic metal, any kind of undiscovered material, or a mix of all. We don't know what is and isn't remotely hackable or susceptible to an EMP. The idea of Ultron hacking them is strange sounding to me as Ultron hacking the Destroyer, which is another piece of tech we don't understand. We don't know what it's made out of, or if it should even be considered a computer anymore. We know nothing about it, except that it's AI was clearly not as good as Ultrons or Visions

Well the Destroyer seems like magical tech. So that makes it quite different.

In any case, we don't know how the mind gem works either, same way we don't know how those sentinels morph and imitate powers. Right now all I have going is the assumption that an infinity gem is more powerful than some kind of techno-mutant hybrid.

But if you really want to contest whether Ultron can hack them or not, I'd recommend concentrating on how Ultron can actually gain access to their file systems. They're not connected to the internet as far as I know. So either Ultron needs to find what wavelength/frequency they communicate with (if they even communicate) or he'll have to physically tap into them. Hacking can't be done through thin air.