Avengers enemies vs X-Men enemies

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well the Destroyer seems like magical tech. So that makes it quite different.

In any case, we don't know how the mind gem works either, same way we don't know how those sentinels morph and imitate powers. Right now all I have going is the assumption that an infinity gem is more powerful than some kind of techno-mutant hybrid.

But if you really want to contest whether Ultron can hack them or not, I'd recommend concentrating on how Ultron can actually gain access to their file systems. They're not connected to the internet as far as I know. So either Ultron needs to find what wavelength/frequency they communicate with (if they even communicate) or he'll have to physically tap into them. Hacking can't be done through thin air.

Still, your right. It's possible I'm overthinking the sentinels and the "all magic is just tech we don't understand" statements.

So I originally brought up Ultron hacking.

Has anyone said thought about Apoc hacking, or is it up to me again?

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I was thinking about that too, though I just figured he'd do it remotely like you said if he could.

Still, your right. It's possible I'm overthinking the sentinels and the "all magic is just tech we don't understand" statements.

Why has Apoc hacked anything before? Can't remember.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Why has Apoc hacked anything before? Can't remember.

He hacked and downloaded every piece of knowledge through a TV screen near the start of the movie in Storm's apartment. That's kinda how he learned english in 30 seconds of staring at static.

He has done a few other things of similar nature, but my memory of this movie is hazy these days.

Storywise, didn't that happen in 1983?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Storywise, didn't that happen in 1983?

"The ancient mutant En Sabah Nur awakens in 1983 and plans to wipe out modern civilization and take over the world, leading the X-Men to try to stop him and defeat his team of renegade mutants." yep, so it was a time well before the internet boom of the 90s.

Looks like Apoc hacked radiowaves and highjacked computers and databases individually and manually by remote then...

Thats actually quite a freakishly strong and varied kind of hacking ability when looking at it from that perspective.

Yea...but it was also long before people knew they needed to protect computer systems from hacking. so while connecting might have been harder. the actual hacking part would have been far easier.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea...but it was also long before people knew they needed to protect computer systems from hacking. so while connecting might have been harder. the actual hacking part would have been far easier.

Yeah, but hacking Cerebro remotely, while Xavier was plugged into it, thats like the ultimate security feature, especially for a system not linked to the outside world in any way other than Xaviers power.

What kind of security does Cerebro have to prevent hacking?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What kind of security does Cerebro have to prevent hacking?

You mean outside of the entire mansions security systems and defences?

it literally only responds to telepaths. The thing won't even activate without Xavier or Jean. Even Magneto, a guy who helped build it couldn't turn it on, and the only way he could hack it was by planting a sleeper device to hit Charles with a feedback KO while he had the system active.

That is how he accessed it, I'm asking what kind of security does it have to stop hacking. because it sounds like it had zero defense and all he needed to do was access it and then he could do anything he wanted.

I can go into someone's house and turn on their computer(accessing it) but if it actually has security on it like passwords, firewalls, encryption etc. then I won't actually be able to do anything without 'hacking'.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is how he accessed it, I'm asking what kind of security does it have to stop hacking. because it sounds like it had zero defense and all he needed to do was access it and then he could do anything he wanted.

I can go into someone's house and turn on their computer(accessing it) but if it actually has security on it like passwords, firewalls, encryption etc. then I won't actually be able to do anything without 'hacking'.

I'm not going to assume something like that has 0% defensive measures. That being said tho, Apoc did it from half a world away... Plus, it's unusual. It seems to be a strange blend of Technopathy and Telepathy that allowed him to highjack the system. Wether or not you consider Technopathy a form of hacking, or simply bypassing hacking and going straight to controlling, you have to admit, that is a serious trump card against Ultron and his clones.

Well, thats how I see it anyway.

Even if we grant it security measures(even though it has zero feats) it would be 1983 level of security.

On a scale of 1 to 100, How good do you think 1983 level security is compared to a highly advanced AI from 2015?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if we grant it security measures(even though it has zero feats) it would be 1983 level of security.

On a scale of 1 to 100, How good do you think 1983 level security is compared to a highly advanced AI from 2015?

before that gets answered, how would Ultron get in? Or activate the system to hack it?

Because your question is leading, and dependant on pure computer cracking technique, which is something Apocalypse and Xavier technically bypass via mental powers, and in Apocs case, the manipulation of technology, including data.

Not sure how much of a trump card it is. Closest anything came to hacking Ultron was when Vision cut him from the net. And the effort of doing so temporarily rendered Vision unconscious. And he had to phase his fingers into Ultron Prime's head to do it. And earlier in that same film, JARVIS had hacked, taken control of, and was changing up military nuclear launch codes to prevent Ultron from getting them, so he isn't featless where hacking is concerned either.

I think the whole hacking angle is kind of dead for both sides at this point, as I don't feel there is enough evidence on either side to be 100% sure it would work.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
He hacked and downloaded every piece of knowledge through a TV screen near the start of the movie in Storm's apartment. That's kinda how he learned english in 30 seconds of staring at static.

He has done a few other things of similar nature, but my memory of this movie is hazy these days.

That's not really hacking though. To be honest, that scene made zero sense. TV's are not connected to servers or data networks, or at least TVs in the 80's. Even if he could access every feed from the TV, he'd only be limited to whatever was currently being broadcast. To be able to go back and forth through all the broadcasts like that he'd have had to be able to manipulate time as well and that's not even addressing how he was able to access all that data when TVs don't have access to that data.

In short what I'm saying is what he did is not hacking. It's more magic than it is hacking.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not really hacking though. To be honest, that scene made zero sense. TV's are not connected to servers or data networks, or at least TVs in the 80's. Even if he could access every feed from the TV, he'd only be limited to whatever was currently being broadcast. To be able to go back and forth through all the broadcasts like that he'd have had to be able to manipulate time as well and that's not even addressing how he was able to access all that data when TVs don't have access to that data.

In short what I'm saying is what he did is not hacking. It's more magic than it is hacking.

That was basically my point, he's confusing hacking with accessing a system. 'hacking' is what you do to get around or through the security on a system after you access it.

Wouldn't Apoc tech which is Celestial tech be more advanced then Ultron's?

Originally posted by kevdude
Wouldn't Apoc tech which is Celestial tech be more advanced then Ultron's?

Why would that matter?

Originally posted by kevdude
Wouldn't Apoc tech which is Celestial tech be more advanced then Ultron's?

Well there wasn't any hint to Apoc having celestial tech in the movie. But I'd still put an infinity gem over celestial tech anyway.