Originally posted by S W LeGenD
I'm not saying there is necessarily a conflict, just putting that possibility out there. Either way it's clear from the scans that you've provided that the KotORCG doesn't really do justice to exploring the intricacies of the technique, and it's also possible that it's being very liberal with the word "drain".I think the wiser course of action would be looking solely at the game in this instance and seeing how Nihilus' ability functionally compares to other abilities we might think of as drains.
And as I've told you, Drain in the game fits the characteristics of Draining powers. We have the KotoRCG confirming as much. There's just no way around it. This is the equivalent of arguing that the Earth is flat in the modern day.
Regardless of the power's nature, it won't work on Palpatine — or at least, it won't be anything game-changing at first.
Originally posted by SunRazer
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/darth-nihilus-146644/force-misconceptions-force-drain-kotor-ii-1828641/
Having read through this one thing I can't completely make out is whether the techniques described in the following quotes are one and the same:
"As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely."
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."
Well here's how I read how the technique works in the first quote:
1. A bond is formed between Force-users.
2. One of the Force-users uses that bond to drain the other Force-user completely.
*And I guess, once drained completely, their bond would effectively be severed as there is no longer a person (or functioning Force-user) to be bonded with.
I'm finding it hard to see how you would interpret the same sort of thing from the second quote. It seems to be saying diffrent forms of connections are directly severed in some way, and that the death caused is then fed upon.
Bear in mind I haven't played the game in years and don't really know the exact context of all of these quotes.
Originally posted by S W LeGenD
Well here's how I read how the technique works in the first quote:1. A bond is formed between Force-users.
2. One of the Force-users uses that bond to drain the other Force-user completely.
*And I guess, once drained completely, their bond would effectively be severed as there is no longer a person (or functioning Force-user) to be bonded with.I'm finding it hard to see how you would interpret the same sort of thing from the second quote. It seems to be saying diffrent forms of connections are directly severed in some way, and that the death caused is then fed upon.
Bear in mind I haven't played the game in years and don't really know the exact context of all of these quotes.
Force Bonds are basically Force connections, just with people instead of the Force itself.
Simple. It revolves around severing one from the Force, which by logic and precedent (Odan-Urr vs Exar Kun again) fails against a more powerful foe who is on their guard.
And, of course, the lack of evidence on Nihilus' part to suggest that it would work against a more powerful foe that Nihilus doesn't have the luxury of ambushing or incapacitating.
But there is no precedent as far as the technique of manipulating a Force Bond to achieve that effect is concerned as far as I'm aware (plus didn't Odan-Urr attempt something completely different on Exar Kun anyway?); a regular drain more closely resembles a regular Force attack that would most likely be defended directly against in a conventional manner, whereas the Force Bond drain seems to be more of a disguised attack.
Of course there's evidence that suggests it would work on Sidious; just how suggestive it is is up for debate.
And not everyone would agree that Sidious is more powerful.
Possibly when we have someone doing far greater stuff than he?
Not that I'm really claiming this. I really need to replay KOTOR2 at some point, and it's possible that Nihilus isn't really powerful in the conventional sense at all, but has some kind of weird ability that allows him to feed off of others and become more powerful that way, but then might slowly lose that power if he doesn't continue to feed. But again my memory of the details is a little off.
Originally posted by S W LeGenD
But there is no precedent as far as the technique of manipulating a Force Bond to achieve that effect is concerned as far as I'm aware (plus didn't Odan-Urr attempt something completely different on Exar Kun anyway?); a regular drain more closely resembles a regular Force attack that would most likely be defended directly against in a conventional manner, whereas the Force Bond drain seems to be more of a disguised attack.Of course there's evidence that suggests it would work on Sidious; just how suggestive it is is up for debate.
And not everyone would agree that Sidious is more powerful.
Sidious' superiority is factual, as is made clear in the numerous sources (plenty of which come after KotOR II) stating that he is the most powerful Sith Lord to date. There is no argument. If someone fails to agree with that, then they're simply proving that have no regard for canonical authority and thus are a waste of time to debate.
Odan-Urr attempted to Sever Kun from the Force; it's the same principle here but you're needlessly complicating things. As I said, a Force Bond is just a Force connection to another person instead of the Force. In no way is Drain a "disguised attack", just one that's incredibly difficult to control. I'm not sure what evidence led you to draw that conclusion.
What evidence suggests that it would work on Sidious, or at least to the game-changing extent that some of the others were proposing?