Supergirl vs. MCU Thor

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well I put it down to Prime Cap beating Kid Spidey on experience. A>B>C doesn't always work (unless they're in a weight lifting contest lol).

Well, it's more the level of ease. If Cap can beat Spidey via XP, Bucky, who is possibly even more experienced than Cap (seeing as he was doing Hydra missions for decades, and helping train the other Hydra Super Soldiers, while Cap was frozen), and having similar overall stats, should have at least given him some problems.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Honestly I have no issue with Cap putting up a fight in a tight environment. The tighter the environment the more of a threat Cap's combat abilities and Shield becomes. Important thing was they still showed IM > Cap.

What was more PIS was at the airport scene when both IM and WM decide to go toe to toe against Cap. I get that they were trying to restrain him, but surely they must have stun blasts or other forms of long range weapons designed to KO.

Well, I meant more in the literal sense that his suit was less formidable. The Mark 3 took a tank shell, crash landing, impact with a jet, Vulcan cannon fire etc. without any real harm. And got smashed through walls, run over, hit with rockets, crushed by Iron Monger (who is WAY stronger than Cap), and still fought on, even though he only had like 20% power at the start of the fight. Or, in Age of Ultron, his suit had enough thrust that it could help support one of the helicarrier lifeboats, but Cap could halt him mid flight using only one arm in CW. And then cripple his flight with two shield bashes to the boot, when his Avengers 1 armour was still capable of flight after getting stuck in the helicarrier turbines. Literally the only armours that have performed worse were his untested IM3 armours, which he built while suffering from insomnia and PTSD.

IMO, if he had worn his CW suit during his Avengers fight against Thor, he would have died.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, it's more the level of ease. If Cap can beat Spidey via XP, Bucky, who is possibly even more experienced than Cap (seeing as he was doing Hydra missions for decades, and helping train the other Hydra Super Soldiers, while Cap was frozen), and having similar overall stats, should have at least given him some problems.

It's not consistent for sure, but Chalk it down to different abilities. Cap's Shield for instance helped him.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

Well, I meant more in the literal sense that his suit was less formidable. The Mark 3 took a tank shell, crash landing, impact with a jet, Vulcan cannon fire etc. without any real harm. And got smashed through walls, run over, hit with rockets, crushed by Iron Monger (who is WAY stronger than Cap), and still fought on, even though he only had like 20% power at the start of the fight. Or, in Age of Ultron, his suit had enough thrust that it could help support one of the helicarrier lifeboats, but Cap could halt him mid flight using only one arm in CW. And then cripple his flight with two shield bashes to the boot, when his Avengers 1 armour was still capable of flight after getting stuck in the helicarrier turbines. Literally the only armours that have performed worse were his untested IM3 armours, which he built while suffering from insomnia and PTSD.

IMO, if he had worn his CW suit during his Avengers fight against Thor, he would have died.

Could put his jobbing down to different IM armours, but what do you think about Cap was owning War Machine at the airport?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's not consistent for sure, but Chalk it down to different abilities. Cap's Shield for instance helped him.

Could put his jobbing down to different IM armours, but what do you think about Cap was owning War Machine at the airport?

I wouldn't really call that owning. He connected one shield toss (which did nothing), blocked a hit from the baton, and then kicked War Machine. And Rhodey didn't exactly use much of his arsenal. He literally used his weakest option. A close range paddle, when he had rockets/missiles, repulsors, a minigun, and even a sonic cannon. And that fight ended when he got hit by the gasoline truck, and all it really did was piss him off.

If we take the key feat as her representation here then there is no way Thor can harm her outside of lightning. The pressure that was exerted on her hand was astronomical. Thor couldn't produce such pressures against skin.

And with the strength that she lifted the key implies that She could easily one shot Thor.

She lifted a million ton key as if it was a normal key. A human can lift a 5lb or more object with the same cross-sectional area as that key. This implies that Kara could lift more than 15 times more.

Plus with her speed, she would hit Thor first. But that's assuming we are using her best.

Originally posted by h1a8
If we take the key feat as her representation here then there is no way Thor can harm her outside of lightning. The pressure that was exerted on her hand was astronomical. Thor couldn't produce such pressures against skin.

And with the strength that she lifted the key implies that She could easily one shot Thor.

She lifted a million ton key as if it was a normal key. A human can lift a 5lb or more object with the same cross-sectional area as that key. This implies that Kara could lift more than 15 times more.

Plus with her speed, she would hit Thor first. But that's assuming we are using her best.

And yet she continues to struggle with opponents far below Thor.

Hell in Avengers 2 in the very beginning remember IM uses those very tiny rocket things to take out like half a dozen or more men at the same time. He obviously didn't kill them, those things stunned them.

Surely if used Cap wouldn't be able to avoid all of them or block all of them with his shield. Not to mention why wouldn't he just fire a repulsor blast with his left hand aimed at caps legs and a blast with his right hand aimed at his upper body, he can't block both at the same time.

Also given the strength level of the suit and all the information Tony has on Caps powers..how is he not able to determine the exact amount of force needed to one shot this person?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I wouldn't really call that owning. He connected one shield toss (which did nothing), blocked a hit from the baton, and then kicked War Machine. And Rhodey didn't exactly use much of his arsenal. He literally used his weakest option. A close range paddle, when he had rockets/missiles, repulsors, a minigun, and even a sonic cannon. And that fight ended when he got hit by the gasoline truck, and all it really did was piss him off.

I know WM didn't unleash any of his arsenal on him (because he was clearly trying to restrain Cap), but doesn't speak well for Rhodey's chances up close and personal. Especially given WM probably doesn't have an AI as good as IM's.

Obviously a long range there's almost nothing Cap can do to WM, but a hell of a lot WM can do to Cap.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hell in Avengers 2 in the very beginning remember IM uses those very tiny rocket things to take out like half a dozen or more men at the same time. He obviously didn't kill them, those things stunned them.

Surely if used Cap wouldn't be able to avoid all of them or block all of them with his shield. Not to mention why wouldn't he just fire a repulsor blast with his left hand aimed at caps legs and a blast with his right hand aimed at his upper body, he can't block both at the same time.

Also given the strength level of the suit and all the information Tony has on Caps powers..how is he not able to determine the exact amount of force needed to one shot this person?

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And all of that goes for War Machine too.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet she continues to struggle with opponents far below Thor.

Read the part where it says "If". Hint: It's the first word.

Originally posted by h1a8
If we take the key feat as her representation here then there is no way Thor can harm her outside of lightning. The pressure that was exerted on her hand was astronomical. Thor couldn't produce such pressures against skin.

And with the strength that she lifted the key implies that She could easily one shot Thor.

She lifted a million ton key as if it was a normal key. A human can lift a 5lb or more object with the same cross-sectional area as that key. This implies that Kara could lift more than 15 times more.

Plus with her speed, she would hit Thor first. But that's assuming we are using her best.

Again, "If" we use only highest showings then her struggles against lower things are irrelevant.

Originally posted by h1a8
Read the part where it says "If". Hint: It's the first word.

Again, "If" we use only highest showings then her struggles against lower things are irrelevant.

So you're stating that you only want to use her highest showings?

Originally posted by Surtur
Not to mention why wouldn't he just fire a repulsor blast with his left hand aimed at caps legs and a blast with his right hand aimed at his upper body, he can't block both at the same time.

Yeah, weird thing is Tony gave Peter this advice, but never uses it himself. Okay, he did disarm Cap and put him on the ground pretty easily, once he got more serious with him, but seems strange he never tried that. It's a tactic that is proven to work against Steve.

Winter Soldier did it during their CA:TWS end fight: When he was firing close range shots at the start of the fight, he whipped out the second gun and fired a shot at Steve's head while he fired another at his side. Steve was forced to block the headshot, and got tagged in the side.

Spiderman does it during their Civil War fight: He aims a webshot at Steve's head and a webshot at his legs. Steve blocked the headshot, and got his leg webbed.

So, targeting more than one spot at once does work against Cap.

^ Thats if he relies to heavily on his shield to block.

Cap's pretty agile though and should be able to just avoid the shots completely.

Originally posted by h1a8
Read the part where it says "If". Hint: It's the first word.

Again, "If" we use only highest showings then her struggles against lower things are irrelevant.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're stating that you only want to use her highest showings?

Originally posted by quanchi112
All showings are relevant. Only trolls want to say highest showings only since they are biased and want to ignore facts.

It was an "if" then "statement".

Originally posted by h1a8
Robtard does.

It was an "if" then "statement".

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Thats if he relies to heavily on his shield to block.

Cap's pretty agile though and should be able to just avoid the shots completely.

The vast majority of the time he relies on his shield to block though. Plus, Tony tagged Cap with his repulsors during their CW fight, while Cap had his shield. And it doesn't even need to just be repulsors. Both IM and WM have a variety of ranged weapons, so can mix it up.

Anyway, we have veered so far off topic it might as well be a totally different thread. 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
Robtard does.

It was an "if" then "statement".

I asking about you, do you use highest only?

Originally posted by h1a8

Again, "If" we use only highest showings then her struggles against lower things are irrelevant.

If we use only the highest showings then every hit Thor does will be a charged hammer/lightning strike that's capable of destroying acres and acres of land. Something that no other opponent of Supergirl have shown the destructive output to match.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If we use only the highest showings then every hit Thor does will be a charged hammer/lightning strike that's capable of destroying acres and acres of land. Something that no other opponent of Supergirl have shown the destructive output to match.

Not to mention that Thor took the Bi-Frost explosion without a scratch and I doubt that Supergirl has any striking feats that are even close to that. so if h1 isn't a hypocrite, he would have to state that SG has very little chance of overcoming Thor's durability.

Personally, I believe h1 is a hypocrite and will completely ignore Thor's highest showings.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If we use only the highest showings then every hit Thor does will be a charged hammer/lightning strike that's capable of destroying acres and acres of land. Something that no other opponent of Supergirl have shown the destructive output to match.

Supergirl casually lifted a million ton key. Pressure = Force/Area
That's millions of tons per square inch. Even if Thor could strike with a million tons (he can't) then since the area of Mjolnir is much bigger than the key then the pressure would be smaller than that of the key. In other words, Kara wouldn't barely feel a million ton strike from Mjolnir.

But this argument disregards speed. Kara would be the first to hit Thor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not to mention that Thor took the Bi-Frost explosion without a scratch and I doubt that Supergirl has any striking feats that are even close to that. so if h1 isn't a hypocrite, he would have to state that SG has very little chance of overcoming Thor's durability.

Personally, I believe h1 is a hypocrite and will completely ignore Thor's highest showings.