Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What gets me is the blatant double standard in how he claims they both will fight. He claims Thor will hold back because he's decided that is in character for Thor to do against women in fights (while presenting zero proof to support this, and doing his "common sense" argument instead). Yet, when Supergirl is being discussed, he mentions nothing of her character or how she is prone to act (like hardly ever using combat superspeed, and never hitting even her enemies/villains with that level of force), but tries to use the "any rational being" argument instead. But the fact that he has to try to script a scenario where Thor holds back and Kara fights OOC to make an argument for her says it all.
SG doesn't use great speed and perceptions because she decides not to. It's because she was written without them in particular scenes. This has nothing to do with character but plot driven writing.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I have proven to you, time and again, that lifting strength does not directly correlate to striking strength. You can repeat yourself a hundred times and it's still not going to change facts.A person's arm strength actually has very little to do with striking strength.
Because at the end of the day, Thor still has vastly more impressive striking feats than Supergirl. So even if she did hit with a million tons of force, it probably means that Thor hits 20x stronger than that.
Saying it is not doesn't prove anything. I gave a physics proof as well as real life evidence supporting the claim. You gave nothing but "it's not".To prove a claim is false you must give a counter example. Show me an example where someone casually exerts a specific force with their arm (curling, lifting, pressing, etc) and they can't strike with equivalent or greater force. The onus is now on you. I gave evidence supporting my claim. You must give evidence or show a counter example to rebut it.
Thor has no feats, striking, or lifting to suggest he can hit with a million tons of force. If you disagree then post which feats and we will analyze them.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. When did he charge it? For a completely different attack? So what?2. I don't know if you are just purposefully lying, or if you are just trolling me.. He doesn't charge his Hammer "every single time." In fact he hardly ever charges his Hammer before an attack. Again do you want to count how many times he charges and how many Lightning attacks there have been altogether?
Hint: I just rewatch TDW, and he doesn't once stand there charging his Hammer before an attack. So are you willing to concede the point, or are you willing to take me up on that counting challenge?
3. It's all what she "could do" and nothing about what's she's done. On the other hand when Thor's actually done an attack numerous times, you want to say he won't do that, and instead he'll stand around charging his Hammer for absolutely no reason, except that's how you like to picture Thor fighting in your head.
1. I'm just alluding to the possibility that Thor still had juice left from the last charge. But my stance is that he charged the hammer prior to the scene (most likely off screen) and did not produce lightning without having to charge Mjolnir prior.
2. I'm not lying. That would mean to purposely tell an untruth for the sole purpose to mislead. I was wrong in saying that everytime Thor shot lightning forth that he was shown to charge the hammer first. But my stance on him needing to charge the hammer prior still stands. Otherwise, it would contradict all the times he was shown needing to charge the hammer before firing.
3 Except that we have many instances of Thor charging the hammer before firing. These scenes alone prove that Thor MUST do this in order to produce a lightning shot from his hammer. Now whether Thor charges right before the shot or prior (off screen) is irrelevant.
Anyone with common sense will use speed and their perceptions to win a fight. SG don't go around purposely deciding not to use speed or perceptions. She just isn't written with great speed and perceptions sometimes for the sake of the plot.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, then Supergirl is an irrational being that defies the laws of physics, because she has never hit with a million+ tons of force onscreen, regardless of who she was fighting, and there are more instances of her not using that level of speed and perception in a fight than there are. And we're discussing Supergirl. Not other people. The person who has failed to do exactly what you are claiming she can with regards to striking.Anyway, I wasn't even specifically referring to that. But carry on.
She s not irrational at all. You are confusing plot with her decisions in a forum fight. I'm using her best strength feat as the strength level she will be capable of in this forum fight. I didn't say she's going to hit Thor with millions of tons of force. I said that she has that capability. She will most likely hit Thor with far less in order to not kill him outright. But as long as she has the capability then she has plenty of room to increase her hitting strength when needed.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Yeah and then he says Thor will spend many seconds charging up Mjolnir even though that's a rare occurrence. The norm is for him to shoot on the spot.
I didn't say many seconds. I said a few seconds. You purposely lie and troll in order for me to look bad. Let me do that on my own. No need to exaggerate. Just tell the truth as it is.
Anyway. There are more showings where Thor is shown charging the hammer before shooting lightning than the other way around. So how is it the norm the other way around?
I didn't claim that Thor's hammer can't hold a charge. It can. But when it is fresh out of juice then he must charge it again. In this fight he starts with it fresh out of juice.
Actually, I'll drop the argument. Thor can point and shoot lightning without charging it since I see that it's moot anyway. SG either tanks it momentarily or avoids it or hits Thor before he does it.