Supergirl vs. MCU Thor

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's attack is not AOE. It only affects the ground. She can fly. Also, if a million tons of force concentrated on her skin in a small area without doing any damage then nothing outside lightning is harming her from Thor.

Whether you accept the proof or not does not take away the proof itself.
At this point you are trolling.

Either you are arguing

1. she can't hit with more than a million tons of force because the key feat is an outlier and she won't be operating at that level of strength in a forum fight.

or

2. Even if she can lift a million ton key CASUALLY, it doesn't translate to more in striking strength.

Which one?

Provide clips of Supergirl hitting with a million of tons of force.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Provide clips of Supergirl hitting with a million of tons of force.

She can casually lift a million tons. She can apply the same force to hit even harder than that.

Originally posted by h1a8
She can casually lift a million tons. She can apply the same force to hit even harder than that.

Prove it via clips.

Originally posted by h1a8
She can casually lift a million tons. She can apply the same force to hit even harder than that.

In short, you have no actual proof of her hitting with a million tons of force. The most you can say is that she can casually lift Thor.

In the meantime, Thor has striking feats far exceeding Supergirl's best striking feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
This isn't rocket science or mathematics. We use common sense. Thor is a gentleman as shown many times. If you believe that Thor will strike a woman (especially a hero) with all his might, intending to kill her, at the outset of the fight then we will have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to argue with you on this point any further. I already believe that you are borderline trolling at this point on the issue. So I'm done with that point. You can have the last word on it without a reply from me.

Don't pull your "common sense" nonsense when all you are doing is giving your opinion. Being a gentleman and fighting all out against an opponent, regardless of their gender, are not mutually exclusive. You have no proof that he will do so against someone that is a confirmed enemy in this scenario.

As far as I am concerned, you are the troll here. Because to suggest that a battle-hardened Asgardian Warrior God will not kill someone based solely on gender, despite his centuries of experience, and the culture that he comes from, simply because he acted like a gentleman towards women he has affection for, is stupid to me. If Thor held back against female opponents over the course of centuries he has battled throughout the Nine Realms, he would likely have been gutted by an opportunistic female enemy by now.

Originally posted by h1a8
Aim dodging bullets has no bearing on dodging or blocking punches. Chance plays a role in aim dodging. Dodging something after it is fired is another story though. That proves the ability to dodge or block a punch. You may have mentioned several things, I'm just pointing out which things are faulty (not necessarily all the things you mentioned is faulty). So just post the non faulty things again and leave out the faulty things. I'll re-analyze your argument.

Iron Fist dodged a bullet by moving after it was fired. The muzzle flash is clearly seen, and only then is Danny shown dodging out of the way of the shot. Daredevil caught an arrow by bobbing his head (the target of the arrow) out of the way and flicking up his hand at the last moment, from an opponent who was virtually invisible to him at that point (the Hand ninjas could hide from his senses up until the 2nd last episode of s2).

I see 18 pages of stupidity..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I see 18 pages of stupidity..

h1 didn't start posting until page 10.

Originally posted by Silent Master
h1 didn't start posting until page 10.

sorry lol, make it the last 8 pages then... he needs a major nap lol

Originally posted by Silent Master
h1 didn't start posting until page 10.

It's funny how he accuses others of having "faulty" arguments considering some of the crap he is peddling in this thread.

^ Yeah the "common sense" argument is kinda irritating.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Yeah the "common sense" argument is kinda irritating.

That's basically his M.O. when he makes a claim he doesn't feel like backing up. Says it's "common sense" and then accuses people of trolling if they disagree with him.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

Iron Fist dodged a bullet by moving after it was fired. The muzzle flash is clearly seen, and only then is Danny shown dodging out of the way of the shot. Daredevil caught an arrow by bobbing his head (the target of the arrow) out of the way and flicking up his hand at the last moment, from an opponent who was virtually invisible to him at that point (the Hand ninjas could hide from his senses up until the 2nd last episode of s2).

Well if that's the case then those feats can be used to give ability to dodge or block an attack in a forum fight. It's simple really.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That's basically his M.O. when he makes a claim he doesn't feel like backing up. Says it's "common sense" and then accuses people of trolling if they disagree with him.

If a character was shown to operate at supersonic speeds instantly then they automatically have heightened perceptions to see events happen far slower than a human AND can move fast enough to tag much slower beings before they can react.
Its also common sense that a normal rational being would use this ability if it gives them a good chance to win. There is no way a rational being will not use speed and perception ability when they need to.

You still haven't proven that she can hit with millions of tons of force.

Originally posted by h1a8
Arguing against common sense is trolling.
If a character has the capability of casually lifting millions of tons then they can easily strike with millions of tons or more. The key here is "CASUALLY". I proved it using the laws of physics and gave evidence to validate it. There are many examples of someone hitting with more force than their arm can lift. To prove a supported claim is sometimes false then you must give a counterexample. Show me where someone can CASUALLY curl, press, or lift with one arm a specific amount of weight, yet can't strike with equal or more force.

If a character was shown to operate at supersonic speeds instantly then they automatically have heightened perceptions to see events happen far slower than a human AND can move fast enough to tag much slower beings before they can react.
Its also common sense that a normal rational being would use this ability if it gives them a good chance to win. There is no way a rational being will not use speed and perception ability when they need to.

Well, then Supergirl is an irrational being that defies the laws of physics, because she has never hit with a million+ tons of force onscreen, regardless of who she was fighting, and there are more instances of her not using that level of speed and perception in a fight than there are. And we're discussing Supergirl. Not other people. The person who has failed to do exactly what you are claiming she can with regards to striking.

Anyway, I wasn't even specifically referring to that. But carry on.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. But you didn't prove anything. Thor charged his hammer before the scene. Thus it took him seconds to fire out lightning. I was never wrong. I was just being nice tbh.

2. It everytime a character is shown to charge the hammer before shooting then it either means that is the only way they can do it or it provides more power than not. If the latter, then Thor would definitely charge the hammer on more dangerous foes than lesser foes. This is because Thor possesses common sense.

3. I'll try to post the clip later. But still she raced flash and instantly went superfast INSTANTLY. This means that she has that capability. Applying common sense and she would use her speed anything she sees fit. Thor's lightning will move fast, but him charging the hammer and then pointing it forward prior to shooting will be slow to her. She could simply aim dodge even if she wasn't fast enough to clear the lightning once it enters the air. Or just hit Thor years before he even finishes charging the hammer.

1. When did he charge it? For a completely different attack? So what?

2. I don't know if you are just purposefully lying, or if you are just trolling me.. He doesn't charge his Hammer "every single time." In fact he hardly ever charges his Hammer before an attack. Again do you want to count how many times he charges and how many Lightning attacks there have been altogether?

Hint: I just rewatch TDW, and he doesn't once stand there charging his Hammer before an attack. So are you willing to concede the point, or are you willing to take me up on that counting challenge?

3. It's all what she "could do" and nothing about what's she's done. On the other hand when Thor's actually done an attack numerous times, you want to say he won't do that, and instead he'll stand around charging his Hammer for absolutely no reason, except that's how you like to picture Thor fighting in your head.

Originally posted by h1a8
Arguing against common sense is trolling.
If a character has the capability of casually lifting millions of tons then they can easily strike with millions of tons or more. The key here is "CASUALLY". I proved it using the laws of physics and gave evidence to validate it. There are many examples of someone hitting with more force than their arm can lift. To prove a supported claim is sometimes false then you must give a counterexample. Show me where someone can CASUALLY curl, press, or lift with one arm a specific amount of weight, yet can't strike with equal or more force.

If a character was shown to operate at supersonic speeds instantly then they automatically have heightened perceptions to see events happen far slower than a human AND can move fast enough to tag much slower beings before they can react.
Its also common sense that a normal rational being would use this ability if it gives them a good chance to win. There is no way a rational being will not use speed and perception ability when they need to.

I have proven to you, time and again, that lifting strength does not directly correlate to striking strength. You can repeat yourself a hundred times and it's still not going to change facts.

A person's arm strength actually has very little to do with striking strength.

Because at the end of the day, Thor still has vastly more impressive striking feats than Supergirl. So even if she did hit with a million tons of force, it probably means that Thor hits 20x stronger than that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I have proven to you, time and again, that lifting strength does not directly correlate to striking strength. You can repeat yourself a hundred times and it's still not going to change facts.

A person's arm strength actually has very little to do with striking strength.

Because at the end of the day, Thor still has vastly more impressive striking feats than Supergirl. So even if she did hit with a million tons of force, it probably means that Thor hits 20x stronger than that.

What gets me is the blatant double standard in how he claims they both will fight. He claims Thor will hold back because he's decided that is in character for Thor to do against women in fights (while presenting zero proof to support this, and doing his "common sense" argument instead). Yet, when Supergirl is being discussed, he mentions nothing of her character or how she is prone to act (like hardly ever using combat superspeed, and never hitting even her enemies/villains with that level of force), but tries to use the "any rational being" argument instead. But the fact that he has to try to script a scenario where Thor holds back and Kara fights OOC to make an argument for her says it all.

^ Yeah and then he says Thor will spend many seconds charging up Mjolnir even though that's a rare occurrence. The norm is for him to shoot on the spot.

Just off the top of my head I can think of three combat examples where Thor doesn't spend several seconds charging the hammer.