Originally posted by Silent MasterNormally I'll just repost or report your troll posts.
No, it's the reasoning behind your speculation. Now try actually posting proof from the movies.
Originally posted by h1a8
Normally I'll just repost or report your troll posts.
But I'll just say that Thor is shown charging the hammer before the scene. Thus it is proven. Just go to the last scene before that scey where Thor charges the hammer.
Post the clip that shows Thor charging the hammer. we aren't just going to accept your word.
Originally posted by h1a8
Trailers are not useable for various reasons. Thor will hold back in the beginning is what I'm saying.To avoid inconsistencies and opinions of what an average should be, we use characters at their best. In the comic forum, it's a rule that characters must fight at full capacity. This was defined as "A character will fight to the best of the their ability AS SHOWN BEFORE."
SG is highly inconsistent. There exists no such notion as "how she consistently fights".Aim dodging is not really a speed feat.
So bottom line, are you suggesting that SG will fight with human level speed since she has done so several times or more?
Based on what? Just because you say he will doesn't mean he will. He comes from a culture where women can be just as deadly as men. Sif, his own mother, Hela etc. are examples of that.
So, if we discuss MCU Iron Fist, we should assume that anything slower than a bullet has no chance of connecting him? And, during the one showing, Daredevil literally flipped in between the bullets, which definitely involves speed, agility and timing. And it changes nothing really. If he can move in a way where he can avoid automatic fire while closing in on someone (which he has done), or casually catch an arrow that was shot at the back of his head (which he has done), punches should be no big deal.
I am suggesting that she will fight at the speed she normally fights at.
Also, how on earth can you say "Thor will hold back" and then argue "characters will fight to the best of their ability" in the same post?
Originally posted by h1a8
1. So many seconds? A few seconds is so many seconds? At least 3 seconds is about every time. Thor raises Mjolnir to the sky and waits a few seconds to charge then points it at the enemy and fires.2. Thor charged the hammer prior to the scene since he was shown fighting right before the scene. In this fight his hammer starts uncharged.
3. Speedblitz? No, I'm saying that Kara will fight faster than Thor. She would view Thor in slow motion. Look at her fight against Flash and her latter fight against Astra. Then she raced Flash to help send him in time. She obtained speed instantly.
I'm not seriously putting numbers on her speed, but it's clearly faster than Thor's.
Also SG getting KOED to livewire contradicts the fact that she took livewire's full power without much effect several times. So it's highly possible that Thor's lightning from his hammer will do nothing if it hits her.
1. Count how many times he's done that. It seems like a rare occurrence to me.
2. Or perhaps he shoots immediately when the situation requires it, and gives it an extra charge when he has time for that. Not that SG will do much anyway IF Thor takes a second to charge up.
3. SG didn't fight Flash at super speed. She chased him. She can waste time chasing a flying Thor, or running fast into Mjolnir, but I wouldn't advice it. Especially not if Mjolnir is firing Lightning.
Live wire has always hurt SG with Lightning. Thor's Lightning has demonstrated superior output to Livewire's. So yeah, she doesn't want to be hit by his Lightning. Because he'll win that way.
Originally posted by FrothByte
H1, are you ever going to back up your statements with actual proof? You know, like how we back up our arguments with actual movie clips? Because no one here will ever take you seriously till you do.
Back up what claims? The key feat? Her using superspeed? Everyone here seen SG show, otherwise they shouldn't be in the discussion.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. Count how many times he's done that. It seems like a rare occurrence to me.2. Or perhaps he shoots immediately when the situation requires it, and gives it an extra charge when he has time for that. Not that SG will do much anyway IF Thor takes a second to charge up.
3. SG didn't fight Flash at super speed. She chased him. She can waste time chasing a flying Thor, or running fast into Mjolnir, but I wouldn't advice it. Especially not if Mjolnir is firing Lightning.
Live wire has always hurt SG with Lightning. Thor's Lightning has demonstrated superior output to Livewire's. So yeah, she doesn't want to be hit by his Lightning. Because he'll win that way.
1. Every single time barring one time. So if he shot lightning forward 10 times then 9 were with charging the hammer first. That's 90%.
2. Common sense would suggest that he hit Ultron with more juice than Tony. If he charged for Tony and Ultron clones then he would certainly charge for Ultron himself.
3. She fought Flash at SUPERSPEED. There is a scene where flash dodges her hv and she blitzes him right afterwards. She also obtained instant superspeed in her race with flash. And chasing at superspeed is the same as fighting at superspeed since she was fighting flash and moving with superspeed.
SG could zip instantly and strike Thor before he moves a centimeter. There would be no chasing a statue.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Based on what? Just because you say he will doesn't mean he will. He comes from a culture where women can be just as deadly as men. Sif, his own mother, Hela etc. are examples of that.So, if we discuss MCU Iron Fist, we should assume that anything slower than a bullet has no chance of connecting him? And, during the one showing, Daredevil literally flipped in between the bullets, which definitely involves speed, agility and timing. And it changes nothing really. If he can move in a way where he can avoid automatic fire while closing in on someone (which he has done), or casually catch an arrow that was shot at the back of his head (which he has done), punches should be no big deal.
I am suggesting that she will fight at the speed she normally fights at.
Also, how on earth can you say "Thor will hold back" and then argue "characters will fight to the best of their ability" in the same post?
Thor will hold back according to his character. He's not going to strike a woman at full force, especially not knowing how much force they can take. He's not a killer of women.
Fight to the best of one's abilities AS SHOWN BEFORE. Thor never showed he will kill a female willy nilly (but the opposite). He's a gentleman. That's his character.
Supergirl fighting to the best of her ability WILL USE HER SUPERSPEED. She has shown the ability to use SUPERSPEED, even in a combat situation. There is no way Thor will even land a blow unless she wants him to.
Aim dodging is not a speed feat and is not usable to prove defense against punches.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor will hold back according to his character. He's not going to strike a woman at full force, especially not knowing how much force they can take. He's not a killer of women.
Saying something does not make it so. He was willing to squash Cap without having ever met him. Provide proof that he will hold back based purely on gender. You have yet to done so.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fight to the best of one's abilities AS SHOWN BEFORE. Thor never showed he will kill a female willy nilly (but the opposite). He's a gentleman. That's his character.
Absence of proof is not proof. If you want to claim he will hold back against a woman, based purely on gender, and that it is in his character to do so, provide proof. Show an actual combat situation where he does this.
Originally posted by h1a8
Supergirl fighting to the best of her ability WILL USE HER SUPERSPEED. She has shown the ability to use SUPERSPEED, even in a combat situation. There is no way Thor will even land a blow unless she wants him to.Aim dodging is not a speed feat and is not usable to prove defense against punches.
It was not just aim dodging, as I have already pointed out. And it was used in combat, to defend against things faster than punches or kicks. It just sounds to me like weak excuses to justify applying your speed standard to one character but not to others.
Originally posted by h1a8
3. She fought Flash at SUPERSPEED. There is a scene where flash dodges her hv and she blitzes him right afterwards.
When did this happen? Only instance where I can recall them fighting was when she was mind-controlled, and then the heat vision knocked him off a roof. There was no speedblitzing involved. And then she chased him across the city where, even with her flying and him being on foot, he had to pause on multiple occasions, even saying to her, "too slow".
Originally posted by FrothByte
Backup Supergirl speed blitzing someone at the very start of a fight. Backup Supergirl being so fast that the opponent looks stuck frozen. Backup Supergirl being able to hit at a million tons of force.
Apparently she is going to do all these things, despite numerous actual onscreen combat showings suggesting otherwise, while Thor is going to hold back because Kara is a girl, even though I can't recall a single instance where MCU Thor held back against an opponent based solely on their gender.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor will hold back according to his character. He's not going to strike a woman at full force, especially not knowing how much force they can take. He's not a killer of women.
Since this is your standard for determining how a character will act during combat. provide clips that show Supergirl speedblitzing and hitting with millions of tons of force during combat.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Since this is your standard for determining how a character will act during combat. provide clips that show Supergirl speedblitzing and hitting with millions of tons of force during combat.
He's making that up in anyways. Thor being a gentleman to women he cares about is irrelevant here. Being a gentleman and going all out against a female enemy are not mutually exclusive concepts. There are plenty of tv/movie characters who can act like gentleman towards women but won't hold back when a fight starts. He actually has to provide examples of Thor doing so in actual combat situations to establish that it is, in fact, part of his character. And Thor is a warrior with several centuries of experience, who comes from a society where women are just as capable as men are of being deadly warriors. He's basically saying that throughout the countless battles Thor has had in his life, throughout the Nine Realms, he's never killed any female opponents. And did not do so purely because they were women.
Originally posted by h1a81. Every single time barring one time. So if he shot lightning forward 10 times then 9 were with charging the hammer first. That's 90%.
2. Common sense would suggest that he hit Ultron with more juice than Tony. If he charged for Tony and Ultron clones then he would certainly charge for Ultron himself.
3. She fought Flash at SUPERSPEED. There is a scene where flash dodges her hv and she blitzes him right afterwards. She also obtained instant superspeed in her race with flash. And chasing at superspeed is the same as fighting at superspeed since she was fighting flash and moving with superspeed.
SG could zip instantly and strike Thor before he moves a centimeter. There would be no chasing a statue.
1) LOL, First you claimed he's Always charged up, like every single time. Now that I proved you wrong with 1 clip you're claiming that's the ONLY time he's charged up?
Why don't we stop this nonsense and let's just count all the times he's used Lightning and how many of those times he spent several seconds charging up first.
We can both post clips where available.
2) You're saying "common sense", but what you're actually doing is speculating.
3) Do you have a clip of this speed blitz? I've seen the SG/Flash fight but mostly remember it being a chase. I don't remember this speed blitz (which wouldn't make sense considering he's faster than her anyway).
You've yet to prove Thor would be a statue, or that 1 hit is all SG would need.
And Thor's Lightning certainly won't be moving in slow motion.
So yeah, please let's see this speed blitz.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
3) Do you have a clip of this speed blitz? I've seen the SG/Flash fight but mostly remember it being a chase. I don't remember this speed blitz (which wouldn't make sense considering he's faster than her anyway).
I don't recall any speedblitzing of her against Barry either. The only speedster I can recall her blitzing was when she slammed into a distracted noob Kid Flash, who was looking at Barry.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) LOL, First you claimed he's Always charged up, like every single time. Now that I proved you wrong with 1 clip you're claiming that's the ONLY time he's charged up?Why don't we stop this nonsense and let's just count all the times he's used Lightning and how many of those times he spent several seconds charging up first.
We can both post clips where available.
2) You're saying "common sense", but what you're actually doing is speculating.
3) Do you have a clip of this speed blitz? I've seen the SG/Flash fight but mostly remember it being a chase. I don't remember this speed blitz (which wouldn't make sense considering he's faster than her anyway).
You've yet to prove Thor would be a statue, or that 1 hit is all SG would need.
And Thor's Lightning certainly won't be moving in slow motion.
So yeah, please let's see this speed blitz.
1. But you didn't prove anything. Thor charged his hammer before the scene. Thus it took him seconds to fire out lightning. I was never wrong. I was just being nice tbh.
2. It everytime a character is shown to charge the hammer before shooting then it either means that is the only way they can do it or it provides more power than not. If the latter, then Thor would definitely charge the hammer on more dangerous foes than lesser foes. This is because Thor possesses common sense.
3. I'll try to post the clip later. But still she raced flash and instantly went superfast INSTANTLY. This means that she has that capability. Applying common sense and she would use her speed anything she sees fit. Thor's lightning will move fast, but him charging the hammer and then pointing it forward prior to shooting will be slow to her. She could simply aim dodge even if she wasn't fast enough to clear the lightning once it enters the air. Or just hit Thor years before he even finishes charging the hammer.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Saying something does not make it so. He was willing to squash Cap without having ever met him. Provide proof that he will hold back based purely on gender. You have yet to done so.Absence of proof is not proof. If you want to claim he will hold back against a woman, based purely on gender, and that it is in his character to do so, provide proof. Show an actual combat situation where he does this.
It was not just aim dodging, as I have already pointed out. And it was used in combat, to defend against things faster than punches or kicks. It just sounds to me like weak excuses to justify applying your speed standard to one character but not to others.
This isn't rocket science or mathematics. We use common sense. Thor is a gentleman as shown many times. If you believe that Thor will strike a woman (especially a hero) with all his might, intending to kill her, at the outset of the fight then we will have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to argue with you on this point any further. I already believe that you are borderline trolling at this point on the issue. So I'm done with that point. You can have the last word on it without a reply from me.
Aim dodging bullets has no bearing on dodging or blocking punches. Chance plays a role in aim dodging. Dodging something after it is fired is another story though. That proves the ability to dodge or block a punch. You may have mentioned several things, I'm just pointing out which things are faulty (not necessarily all the things you mentioned is faulty). So just post the non faulty things again and leave out the faulty things. I'll re-analyze your argument.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Backup Supergirl speed blitzing someone at the very start of a fight. Backup Supergirl being so fast that the opponent looks stuck frozen. Backup Supergirl being able to hit at a million tons of force.
SG has the capability, that is all needed. She can use movement speed at anytime she sees fit. Being superfast automatically gives you very quick perceptions (you will see things a lot slower than a normal human). For example, If you can see a bullet at 20mph (running speed) then you will see a human nearly frozen. She may allow Thor to hit her in order to gauge his power. But other than that, she will view the entire fight with very quick perception (she will see things a lot slower than a normal human).
She has the capability of hitting with FAR MORE than a million tons. She casually exerted a millions of force with her arm. She could easily apply many times more. And if she punches with that type of strength then it would be many times more than a million tons.
Originally posted by h1a8SG has the capability, that is all needed. She can use movement speed at anytime she sees fit. Being superfast automatically gives you very quick perceptions (you will see things a lot slower than a normal human). For example, If you can see a bullet at 20mph (running speed) then you will see a human nearly frozen. She may allow Thor to hit her in order to gauge his power. But other than that, she will view the entire fight with very quick perception (she will see things a lot slower than a normal human).
She has the capability of hitting with FAR MORE than a million tons. She casually exerted a millions of force with her arm. She could easily apply many times more. And if she punches with that type of strength then it would be many times more than a million tons.
And Thor has the capability of of instantly making an AOE attack that demolishes blocks and blocks of area.
Again, we need proof that she can actually hit "far more" than a million tons. Do you have any video to support that she hits that hard?
Let me be clear here: VIDEO. OF. SG. HITTING. HARD.
Until you come up with that, all your words are just noise.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And Thor has the capability of of instantly making an AOE attack that demolishes blocks and blocks of area.Again, we need proof that she can actually hit "far more" than a million tons. Do you have any video to support that she hits that hard?
Let me be clear here: VIDEO. OF. SG. HITTING. HARD.Until you come up with that, all your words are just noise.
Thor's attack is not AOE. It only affects the ground. She can fly. Also, if a million tons of force concentrated on her skin in a small area can't do any damage then nothing outside lightning is harming her from Thor.
Whether you accept the proof or not does not take away the proof itself.
At this point you are trolling.
Either you are arguing
1. she can't hit with more than a million tons of force because the key feat is an outlier and she won't be operating at that level of strength in a forum fight.
or
2. Even if she can lift a million ton key CASUALLY, it doesn't translate to more in striking strength.
Which one?