Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]I still say it is nice to see that someone who will LITERALLY stand up to the Fascist Leftist Press of this Country can get elected. [/B]
I don't think they should get violent, it is not the way to go and also just going to cost them in the long run. Sure it could have been worse, the situation could have been where there was only a 1-2 point difference, but that didn't happen.
Still, it will drive some away from voting.
Originally posted by Surtur
So the guy won, he is slime, but lets make this clear: no, this isn't on Trump. at all.
"I have to admit this is indefensible, but it could be a trick to put me on the defensive about Trump. I know, 'This is indefensible, but it has nothing to do with Trump!' That will do it."
Originally posted by Surtur
The guy was wrong to do what he did, no matter what the question was. It's just not something to be pinned on Trump.I think Dems also need to stop treating all of these elections as if they are referendums for Trump. The narrative being pushed is that there is all this backlash against Trump, so now we see them constantly moving the goalposts. So a loss is a win now, and why? Because the guy in Montana only won by like 7 points or something.
Actually the goal posts weren't really moved until the guy attacked the reporter, before then the race was never really considered in play, once that happened people thought that maybe it might damage him irreparably, and had it happened before so many people already voted, it may have, but it happened a bit too late. This is a seat that is always red and so dems didn't really even start spending any money at all on the race until last month, and they spent much less than republicans did for that race. Winning a seat by 6 points or whatever it was, in a state that Trump carried by 20 points, is not something for republicans to be too happy with. If they're only winning safe seats by single digits, that doesn't bode well next year for their chances in swing seats.
The fact of the matter these are referendums on Trump and the republicans now, that's par the course. Special elections and mid terms are always kind of referendums on the sitting president and the party in power. Was the same thing in 2010 with Obama and the dems.
The big one is the Georgia seat next month. Tom Price's old seat. That one's seriously in play and looks like Orsoff, the Dem, has a real shot at winning that one.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"I have to admit this is indefensible, but it could be a trick to put me on the defensive about Trump. I know, 'This is indefensible, but it has nothing to do with Trump!' That will do it."
No, just pointing out you're silly and pathetic if you try to blame this on Trump. Are you silly and pathetic?
Originally posted by Surtur
No, they aren't referendums. Just the wet dreams of loony libs.
They are. Elections in general are referendums on the status quo. Particularly midterms. They have been seen that way for decades. Do you think in 2018 people will go to the polls and not consider how they think Trump and the republicans who have power have done?
You could argue that the election yesterday and the one next month won't really be good indicators for how the election next year might go because so much can change and because 4 months isn't a lot of time to really get a gauge on how Trump and this Congress are doing or how people will feel about them next year. But in general, yeah, mid terms and special elections are referendums on the status quo and those in power.
Originally posted by Surtur
So pretty much unless conservatives win by a huge margin in every election we're going to hear people yapping on about how it "proves" something? Damn, shitty.
You might from some, but overall it depends on where the election is located and how safe such a seat is usually considered.
Using last night as an example again, that race probably wouldn't have gotten very much attention at all had the guy not attacked the reporter. That's a deep red seat, it was always expected to stay red until the other night. There were some rumbles that the election might be getting kind of close (which it was when taking into account the amount republicans usually win that seat by) but no one was really expecting it to go blue.
Georgia next month will be another story. That is a seat in an area that Trump won by much less, and the dem is already in a good position there. There won't be much valid spin for next month's election. If the dem wins, then that is not a very good sign for Trump and the republicans. If the republicans hold that seat, that is better. But even next month's isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things. Next year's midterm will be the boilerpoint for it all. If the dems make big gains in the house, or especially if they take the house all together, then that's big, and there's no way to really spin that other than a rejection of the republican's policy. But that's a ways away, and I think whatever happens with the health care law this year will probably affect next year's midterm more than anything else.
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