Kenobi vs Maul: How Did It Happen?

You know what Filoni and Beck said too, Quan?

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Also Filoni's commentary:

"I think on one hand people would be excited to see another prolonged Lightsaber fight, but I just never really saw the competition that way because to do that is to say the characters don't have growth. Yes it's exciting as an audience member but it's not really a believable thing. The storytelling has to evolve.."

And this from Producer Carrie Beck:

"I think it's important for us that, even in the timeline we're not at A New Hope yet, what we know of Obi-Wan in that movie and work backwards in some way, to make sure that the character's progression charts appropriately"

Character progression. Obi-Wan progressed, Maul didn't. Obi-Wan became better, more powerful than Maul. That's pretty clear-cut in the producer's words. Either accept it or don't, but for the love of Yoda move the phuck on. Maul lost to a superior opponent. Deal with it.

Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power.
But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. The Sith Lord was astonishingly fast and efficient, and the Force flowed through him effortlessly. His sabers stabbed and slashed through the smallest hole in an opponent’s guard, his movements never carried him a millimeter out of position, and he could sense every attack Maul and Savage made before it developed.

Also, this confirms that in Maul's own opinion, he has grown in power, making TCW Maul stronger than TPM Maul.

Originally posted by Petrus
You know what Filoni and Beck said too, Quan?

Character progression. Obi-Wan progressed, Maul didn't. Obi-Wan became better, more powerful than Maul. That's pretty clear-cut in the producer's words. Either accept it or don't, but for the love of Yoda move the phuck on. Maul lost to a superior opponent. Deal with it.

Also this:

If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai

- Filoni.

He's literally saying that in his 7th samurai homage, he decided to make this duel short because people who are very good don't have long fights.

That's obviously not true in SW, but in this particular case, it is; mainly because this duel was made with that thought in mind.

It pretty much means Kenobi > Maul, because he defeated his opponent in a very short duel.

Originally posted by Petrus
Also this:

- Filoni.

He's literally saying that in his 7th samurai homage, he decided to make this duel short because [B]people who are very good don't have long fights.

That's obviously not true in SW, but in this particular case, it is; mainly because this duel was made with that thought in mind.

It pretty much means Kenobi > Maul, because he defeated his opponent in a very short duel. [/B]

Originally posted by Petrus
You know what Filoni and Beck said too, Quan?

Character progression. Obi-Wan progressed, Maul didn't. Obi-Wan became better, more powerful than Maul. That's pretty clear-cut in the producer's words. Either accept it or don't, but for the love of Yoda move the phuck on. Maul lost to a superior opponent. Deal with it.

Maul wasn't in his prime and was lost and broken. Filoni explains why Maul lost due to being lost and broken. Pretty clear cut.

Originally posted by samappo
[b]Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power.
But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. The Sith Lord was astonishingly fast and efficient, and the Force flowed through him effortlessly. His sabers stabbed and slashed through the smallest hole in an opponent’s guard, his movements never carried him a millimeter out of position, and he could sense every attack Maul and Savage made before it developed.

Also, this confirms that in Maul's own opinion, he has grown in power, making TCW Maul stronger than TPM Maul. [/B]

Just as Kenobi grew in power through the force since rots that doesn't mean he was a better duelist in his physical prime. Just as in real life the older you get the wiser you get but that doesn't mean you're capable of what you were at your physical peak. Common sense. I also don't believe Clone Wars Maul was anywhere near to the frail version Rebels had become. He was old master Maul. Still quite skilled and badass but not at his best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi did progress and Maul didn't which along with him being broken, frail, lost is why he lost. Maul at his worst and Kenobi completely justified fighting for someone else who Maul underestimated again when he found him in the desert as a hermit.

Maul wasn't in his prime and was lost and broken. Filoni explains why Maul lost due to being lost and broken. Pretty clear cut.

Dude, he was fighting three Inqs simultaneously, he was fighting on par with Ahsoka and he seemed to be the strongest of the group; he didn't seem to be in a bad condition or lacking skills at all.

Sure, he's not on his prime. Sure, he's broken. But he's still able to fight extremely well, as we saw on those episodes. Yet Kenobi still destroyed him.

Pretty clear cut that no matter how you spin it, Rebels Kenobi is far superior to any version of Maul we've seen.

Also, just for the lawls, the fact that Kenobi is clearly above Rebels Maul coped with the fact that he and Vader seemed to fight on par in ANH, establishes that Rebels Vader > Maul, as well. Something which you so stubbornly denied for a long time.

Originally posted by Petrus
Dude, he was fighting three Inqs simultaneously, he was fighting on par with Ahsoka and he seemed to be the strongest of the group; he didn't seem to be in a bad condition or lacking skills at all.

Sure, he's not on his prime. Sure, he's broken. But he's still able to fight extremely well, as we saw on those episodes. Yet Kenobi still destroyed him.

Pretty clear cut that no matter how you spin it, Rebels Kenobi is far superior to any version of Maul we've seen.

Also, just for the lawls, the fact that Kenobi is clearly above Rebels Maul coped with the fact that he and Vader seemed to fight on par in ANH, establishes that Rebels Vader > Maul, as well. Something which you so stubbornly denied for a long time.

Kenobi beat him because of these reasons. That's what Filoni said. He said he lost because he was last and broken. That is why he lost. We see when he isn't lost or broken Kenobi gets the hell out of there, gets bfrd away, or watches his ex die to Maul.

False, Rebels Kenobi beat Maul due to being lost and broken. It's like saying Lebron beats Jordan today therefore he'd beat any version. Not only that but a Jordan who was lost and broken as well as being physically past his apex. You're a dope.

False, abc logic. It's like saying Rots Kenobi beat Vader in rots that he beats Dooku who dusted him earlier in the film. Both have different styles and with your own logic of Maul matching Tano proves he can match Vader.

Maul at his best absolutely destroys Vader. My claims are well supported and logical while you're avoiding the context to further your anti Maul agenda. I'll put debate you any day of the week, ******.

I've had enough chirping from you Petrus. Why don't we set up a date to officially debate Maul vs. Vader one on one. You and me. I fully believe Maul defeats Vader in his suit. Do you really believe Vader wins or are you posturing and will you back down to me. Just as Maul couldn't wait to kill Jedi I can't wait to outdebate Maul haters and scumbags.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I've had enough chirping from you Petrus. Why don't we set up a date to officially debate Maul vs. Vader one on one. You and me. I fully believe Maul defeats Vader in his suit. Do you really believe Vader wins or are you posturing and will you back down to me. Just as Maul couldn't wait to kill Jedi I can't wait to outdebate Maul haters and scumbags.

Lmao. Except there's one simple issue here: you never give up, even when you're getting destroyed/already lost. You simply will never admit defeat. I'm 100% certain that very single person who's debated you thoroughly agrees with me. So yeah, absolutely no point in formally debating someone like you, but thanks. 👆

Originally posted by Petrus
Lmao. Except there's one simple issue here: you never give up, even when you're getting destroyed/already lost. You simply will never admit defeat. I'm 100% certain that very single person who's debated you thoroughly agrees with me. So yeah, absolutely no point in formally debating someone like you, but thanks. 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't have any faith in your ability to articulate your points with the evidence for Vader against my evidence for Maul. As always when push comes to shove the wimps flee. All talk and no action. Maul wins over Vader. Just concede and move on.

You're pathetically hilarious, Quan. Really. 👆

You keep thinking like that. Way to go.

Originally posted by Petrus
You're pathetically hilarious, Quan. Really. 👆

You keep thinking like that. Way to go.

I walk the walk you just talk.

Build the wall. 😂

Originally posted by Petrus
Lmao. Except there's one simple issue here: you never give up, even when you're getting destroyed/already lost. You simply will never admit defeat. I'm 100% certain that very single person who's debated you thoroughly agrees with me. So yeah, absolutely no point in formally debating someone like you, but thanks. 👆

Originally posted by Rebel95
Yep. He is stubborn, I'll give him that 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
NO, Maul is one of the greatest Sith to ever grace the Star Wars mythos. He is an impact player and loved beyond the clone wars and decades after he was alone. He's a truly resourceful, cunning, and very interesting character. And what's best of all when ever anyone has something negative to say about him I'll be there to make their life hell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am correct. You're not. The truth doesn't change but your lies do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And you're pathetically fearful of a one on one debate with me. Really. 👇

I walk the walk you just talk.

Build the wall. 😂

Kek, I've taken you on 1v1 on various occasions, crushing you in all. But you're impossible and never willing to admit defeat, so why even bother to make thread for you?

'Build the wall', lmao. Adding 'willing to use fake racism to piss someone off' to your resumé, as if it wasn't sad enough already.

Originally posted by Nephthys