Maul's growth as a duelist

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He's referring to Kenobi.

The desperation of some people to salvage Mauls last strip of dignity is amusing.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
no, it refers to both of them
"people who are very good don't have long sword fights"

So Dooku, Yoda, Sidious, Mace etc, aren't good duelists then?..

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So Dooku, Yoda, Sidious, Mace etc, aren't good duelists then?..

Sidious vs Yoda, Sidious vs Mace, Dooku vs Yoda were all fairly long... certainly much longer than Obi-Wan vs Maul.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sidious vs Yoda, Sidious vs Mace, Dooku vs Yoda were all fairly long... certainly much longer than Obi-Wan vs Maul.

Also the quote was in the context of kenobi vs maul and why this fight between the two was shorter
there's no reason to bring others into this

Sidious' duels are both life and death situations, lmfao. Sidious and Yoda are certainly "very skilled" and moreso than Obi-Wan and Maul.

Simply put, whilst Filoni is on the right track that duels are generally quite short, the notion that greater skill results in shorter fights is simply dead wrong. And it doesn't matter if Filoni has said it or not.

Filoni was talking about RL lol, in which case I'm pretty sure he is correct.

He's referring to both (and it's also stated in SW). But if he's referring to just RL, then the quote won't universally apply to SW anyway. So eh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
As I said yesterday, it's quite literally predicting what the other guy will do. Obi-Wan won because Maul gave himself to emotion and made a rash play that Obi-Wan was specifically anticipating.

It has nothing to do with who handles a lightsaber better, just who is more in control of their head.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What? I'm not debating who is more powerful or skilled. I'm saying this contest has nothing to do with how good they are at wielding a lightsaber. It was entirely down to mindset, as I said and as Filoni said.

lmao

Sure it does. Being able to anticipate your opponents move is *shocker* a big part of being a skilled swordsman.

That's part of combat; not part of handling a lightsaber. Different things. Which is why if we made a thread between the two, sure, Obi-Wan could well be winning the vast majority.

But if we separately pitted them against a common character, the results may or may not vary. It's mostly down to Maul's arrogance/impulsiveness here. Which is a factor of combat, sure, but distinct from actual skill in handling a lightsaber.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He's referring to both (and it's also stated in SW). But if he's referring to just RL, then the quote won't universally apply to SW anyway. So eh.

Alright.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sidious' duels are both life and death situations, lmfao. Sidious and Yoda are certainly "very skilled" and moreso than Obi-Wan and Maul.

Simply put, whilst Filoni is on the right track that duels are generally quite short, the notion that greater skill results in shorter fights is simply dead wrong. And it doesn't matter if Filoni has said it or not.

Kenobi and maul have fought each other multiple times, hence why they're able to anticipate each other's moves.

And if part of the reasoning for them fighting very short(compared to their other fights) is them being very good fighters, then that implies they were not as good when they had longer drawn out fights which suggests they've become better duelists from when THEIR fights were drawn out affairs

And whether feloni's bsing or not doesn't really matter, The statement has nothing do with yoda and Sidious, it's an excuse made for kenobi vs maul, no one else

Also considering that yoda and sidious are way way faster than maul or kenobi, it's actually quite possible their fight in real SW time was way way shorter.

Kenobi and Maul don't know each other's moves anywhere near as well as Kenobi and Skywalker did, yet the latter lasted for minutes on end. That was the fight showing 2 great combatants equally matched in skill.

To be honest, they should have not brought back Darth Maul in the first place. I heared that Dave Filoni did not like this decision.

We can blame George Lucas for poor judgement.

Maul is either vastly inferior, or constantly finds himself losing to inferior/same level opponents due to his own stupidity. If his incompetence in this regard gets in his way so frequently, even in the most decisive fights in his life, then why not assume he would most likely perform as poorly in versus threads? I don't see how Maul defenders think they are proving anything relevant when there is a pattern here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kenobi and Maul don't know each other's moves anywhere near as well as Kenobi and Skywalker did, yet the latter lasted for minutes on end. That was the fight showing 2 great combatants equally matched in skill.

b. them being more skilled than when they last fought

Whether those were considered in other duels in the mythtos doesn't change what was intended for this fight between these two characters

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
To be honest, they should have not brought back Darth Maul in the first place. I heared that Dave Filoni did not like this decision.

We can blame George Lucas for poor judgement.

Well I wish they hadn't now, or that Palpatine killed him in TCW.

Either way it being a poor decision is no justification to treat the character this badly. I think Lucas kept a leash on Filoni tbh.

Originally posted by Sinious
Maul is either vastly inferior, or constantly finds himself losing to inferior/same level opponents due to his own stupidity. If his incompetence in this regard gets in his way so frequently, even in the most decisive fights in his life, then why not assume he would most likely perform as poorly in versus threads? I don't see how Maul defenders think they are proving anything relevant when there is a pattern here.

Depends what they're defending. There's no argument anymore for him being Kenobi or Dooku's equal. But he has enough feats to put him above the majority of Masters and Council Members. And in terms of villains he's clearly above the likes of Ventress, Opress and Grievous.

Prime Maul might be Rebel Ahsoka's equal. But that's best case scenario for him at this point.