Maul's growth as a duelist

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol the denial is real. I don't need any back and forth. Maul is weak, by far the weakest of the canon Sith Lords and he's weaker than Kenobi. This is what I've been saying for years and Lord Filoni has once again vindicated my views. Thank you Filoni. Thank you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're ignoring them being past their primes, ignoring their canon fights, ignoring Maul's accolades, etc. and making baseless claims. Maul also spared Kenobi's life before. Quit being childish to reach your faulty and biased conclusions.

I don't have a bias at all. Just calling it like I see it.

Filoni disagrees with you and explains himself regarding this duel. You're completely and utterly wrong. Maul is a perfect embodiment of the Sith and I embrace who he is as a character. Most of you don't even really grasp what makes these chapters tick and who they truly are.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Filoni disagrees with you and explains himself regarding this duel. You're completely and utterly wrong. Maul is a perfect embodiment of the Sith and I embrace who he is as a character. Most of you don't even really grasp what makes these chapters tick and who they truly are.

You don't even try to be unbiased in your assessment 😘

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I mean I get it artistically but this is blatantly contradicted by the canon. Anakin vs. Obi-Wan took place between two extremely talented swordsmen who knew each other the best and its the longest fight in the mythos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Filoni disagrees with you and explains himself regarding this duel. You're completely and utterly wrong. Maul is a perfect embodiment of the Sith and I embrace who he is as a character. Most of you don't even really grasp what makes these chapters tick and who they truly are.

Even feat wise, maul should logically be capable of anything force wise his previous incarnations were capable of.

And saber wise Maul's performance vs tcw kenobi was significantly inferior, despite favorable circumstances, vs his performance vs ahsoka who herself was a challenge for vader in his prime.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You don't even try to be unbiased in your assessment 😘

Originally posted by quanchi112
Filoni disagrees and implied the opposite. I'm as objective as it gets. At no point do I ever ignore a single showing if it isn't biased towards maul.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Feloni implied that both kenobi and maul progressed as swordsman. Force wise maul was collecting holocrons and gaining knowledge and new abilities. There's absolutely no reason to think maul or kenobi are out of his primes.

Even feat wise, maul should logically be capable of anything force wise his previous incarnations were capable of.

And saber wise Maul's performance vs tcw kenobi was significantly inferior, despite favorable circumstances, vs his performance vs ahsoka who herself was a challenge for vader in his prime.

"But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person"

Filoni^^

Physically he isn't the same as well. His skills have eroded as he's older the same can be said of Kenobi. In the moment Kenobi is taking on an older Maul who is broken and lost in his own selfishness who can't let go of the Phantom a menace moment. That's Sith 101 selfishness. Abc comparisons are a joke most of the time as not every character is skilled in the same ways while also having the same deficiencies. For ****s sake this is practically common sense.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

Yes kenobi beat maul because he had better control of his emotions. But your "His skills have eroded" is baseless and feloni has implied the opposite.The reasons given for the shortness of their fight compared to their previous duels is
A. Them having dueled each other multiple times prior to rebels]
B. Them both being very good fighters(compared to their tcw incarnations who had lengthy duels)
None of what you posted changes that this version of maul was superior as a duelist or that logically given he was collecting artifacts/holocrons, gaining knowledge and has showcased new abilities that he would be more powerful.

Emotionally broken or not, this is maul in his prime.

Kenobi being able to control his emotions and focus himself makes him the better fighter. And Maul not being able to defeat that kenobi just reinforces that kenobi, due to his emotional state surpassed maul.

This is still prime maul and prime kenobi,
what you've posted changes nothing

Originally posted by quanchi112
In his prime he'd annihilate Vader who was never the same mobility wise when he was condemned to the suit.

SoD Maul >> Rebels Maul, tbh.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
SoD Maul >> Rebels Maul, tbh.

Just pretty obvious, tbh. SoD Maul is at the peak of his game, establishing a vast criminal empire, choking out Kenobi, and trading blows with Palpatine, whereas Rebels Maul is constantly performing poorly and is literally insane.

To say Maul's at his peak in Rebels is a massive disservice to what he accomplished in TCW, tbh. To be honest, I'd favor TPM Maul over Rebels any day as well.

Agreed

His performance against the inquisitors was good, but then he got humiliated by Kanan and Kenobi, so... yeah

Even his performance vs the Inquisitors were lackluster, tbh.

He was even struggling to maintain hold over the Seventh Sister.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even his performance vs the Inquisitors were lackluster, tbh.

He was even struggling to maintain hold over the Seventh Sister.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yes kenobi beat maul because he had better control of his emotions. But your "His skills have eroded" is baseless and feloni has implied the opposite.The reasons given for the shortness of their fight compared to their previous duels is
A. Them having dueled each other multiple times prior to rebels]
B. Them both being very good fighters(compared to their tcw incarnations who had lengthy duels)
None of what you posted changes that this version of maul was superior as a duelist or that logically given he was collecting artifacts/holocrons, gaining knowledge and has showcased new abilities that he would be more powerful.

Emotionally broken or not, this is maul in his prime.

Kenobi being able to control his emotions and focus himself makes him the better fighter. And Maul not being able to defeat that kenobi just reinforces that kenobi, due to his emotional state surpassed maul.

This is still prime maul and prime kenobi,
what you've posted changes nothing

Gaining knowledge has to do with wisdom it doesn't magically alter your body or make you younger. What new abilities or new powers increase his physical acumen of his youth. I mean this is very easy to dissect. Dooku grew in the force and was an older man but just as all of these guys they get past their primes but they can still be formidable. His body has diminshed just as Yoda's. They may lean on the force and still be quite formidable but their past their physical apex.

We see the new Disney comics illustrate Maul is in his prime. That's the era he was at his physical peak. This is common sense and Filoni's words also back this up. Maul is broken at this point and Kenobi has everything to fight for serving up the best case scenario for Ben and the worst case for Maul in their fight.

In this moment out of their primes but we've seen other moments where Maul was handing him his ass. At their primes Maul is a cut above him.