In re-reading WWH, his actual combat feats are less impressive than I remembered. Nowhere does he have a straight-up win over any other elite top tier, much less beat, or be implied to be capable of beating, multiple elite top tiers in a fair fight. His win over amped Strange required a bit of an own goal on Strange's part. He had to BFR Juggernaut, and fought him rather evenly.
Still, the Hulk is and almost been the one hero with a truly dynamic power level. And he clearly becomes significantly more powerful when fighting Sentry. And then becomes the Worldbreaker or whatnot. So he's certainly implied to have become very powerful, but it's hard to know exactly how powerful he became at any given point. But his fights were actually a bit of a let down. Where are his beatdowns of groups like Thor, Gladiator, and Hercules? Or say a clear, one-sided beatdown of say Silver Surfer? Once Superman starts beating Probes, he's effectively implied to be operating on that kind of level. Once he starts laying waste to hordes of them with ease, he's clearly implied to be operating at some other, higher--insanely high--level.
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
In re-reading WWH, his actual combat feats are less impressive than I remembered. Nowhere does he have a straight-up win over any other elite top tier, much less beat, or be implied to be capable of beating, multiple elite top tiers in a fair fight. His win over amped Strange required a bit of an own goal on Strange's part. He had to BFR Juggernaut, and fought him rather evenly.
Still, the Hulk is and almost been the one hero with a truly dynamic power level. And he clearly becomes significantly more powerful when fighting Sentry. And then becomes the Worldbreaker or whatnot. So he's certainly implied to have become very powerful, but it's hard to know exactly how powerful he became at any given point. But his fights were actually a bit of a let down. Where are his beatdowns of groups like Thor, Gladiator, and Hercules? Or say a clear, one-sided beatdown of say Silver Surfer? Once Superman starts beating Probes, he's effectively implied to be operating on that kind of level. Once he starts laying waste to hordes of them with ease, he's clearly implied to be operating at some other, higher--insanely high--level.
It was kind of hard for him to gather those fts because remember, his intentions wasn't to hurt anyone, just gather the people that shipped him off. So he held back the entire time against basically everyone which is the reason he did not drag his fight out against Juggernaut, the reason he didn't kill Hercules and the reason he had a huge speech against Sentry asking him to basically stand down due to his mission. Even after Ironman bombed him and attacked him, he didn't finish it. He didn't critically injure anyone and toyed with Ghost Rider. This is why I say it's best to use Hulk AFTER world at War. Same Hulk but a more serious Hulk and based off his showings afterwards, he was most definitely operating at high trans levels. He took it up a notch whereas he held back tremendously during World at War.
In all seriousness, we don't need to see a more powerful Hulk take it to a powerful team, we have weaker versions of the Hulk that have accomplished this. World at War was more of a lip service for Hulk to prepare us for the full power of this character after the arc. This same Hulk brushed aside the entire Avengers line up and outright said that none of them stood a chance against him and this was an Avengers team that had Heralds and tbe fantastic 4 backing them. That's why I say it's best to use Green Scar in the thread title. Same Hulk but we are able to use his true potential but too many people don't know about the character, so this is ignored.
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Originally posted by Pillow BiterYou answered your own questions in this very post. He walked through teams while heavily holding back which is consistent with the fact that hulk has always been a team buster, but as Green scar his base strength was that of an enraged Savage Hulk so effort wasn't required to replicate it in one short arc. It was painfully obvious what would have happened if he tried to flex his muscles for real. The Red hulk arc showed that even an amped Thor would have probably lost to the same Hulk in WWH not to mention Worldbreaker levels of power output.
In re-reading WWH, his actual combat feats are less impressive than I remembered. Nowhere does he have a straight-up win over any other elite top tier, much less beat, or be implied to be capable of beating, multiple elite top tiers in a fair fight. His win over amped Strange required a bit of an own goal on Strange's part. He had to BFR Juggernaut, and fought him rather evenly.
Still, the Hulk is and almost been the one hero with a truly dynamic power level. And he clearly becomes significantly more powerful when fighting Sentry. And then becomes the Worldbreaker or whatnot. So he's certainly implied to have become very powerful, but it's hard to know exactly how powerful he became at any given point. But his fights were actually a bit of a let down. Where are his beatdowns of groups like Thor, Gladiator, and Hercules? Or say a clear, one-sided beatdown of say Silver Surfer? Once Superman starts beating Probes, he's effectively implied to be operating on that kind of level. Once he starts laying waste to hordes of them with ease, he's clearly implied to be operating at some other, higher--insanely high--level.
The fact that he literally said and was shown to be holding back is enough to finally put this topic to bed, right?
Hulk's status with Thor, Gladiator, etc was already established prior to WWH so a child should be able to understand this
WWH is great in writers intent, but not in showings.
If I'd have been called Incredible Hulk #435-439, nobody would have cared, and it would have been seen as a poor man's Blood & Thunder.
No Thor.
No Surfer.
Stalemate Juggernaut.
Stalemate Sentry.
Zomish-Strange was kicking his shit in, but for CIS.
Big f*cking meh.