This quote - legit or no?

Started by DarthAnt6614 pages

Originally posted by SunRazer
That seems like something you'd be more suited to doing.

But in any case, this quote is retconned out of existence.


Contradictions are met by a "case-by-case" basis. The fact it doesn't include Plagueis and Vitiate doesn't mean it's entirely nullified.

Originally posted by Geistalt
More valid than the shit you've been spewing. Real useful.
I sense angur in you my friend. 🤣

youtube.com/watch?v=jCesEz49VSY#t=5m20s

C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon.

@Ant - Isn't that what Chee said in relation to how the story group handles things, as opposed to us?

In any case, the problem with your interpretation is that it would, in fact, be entirely nullified by Plagueis and Vitiate's quotes, yes. They're factually stronger than Darth Revan. So the quote is wrong.

Again, there's always my interpretation, which reconciles perfectly with all of the other canonical statements out there.

Also, I thought you just kept posting that screenshot until I realized that you made it your sig. 😂

No, that would just mean Plagueis and Vitiate aren't included, as per the "case-by-case" policy.

The whole thing isn't rendered non-canonical. 😬

The source itself is still valid, but that particular quote is now retconned out of existence. That's the problem with your absolutist approach. Whereas my interpretation, again, fits with the quotes about Nihilus being far more powerful as well as Plageusi and Vitiate being more powerful.

And you didn't answer my question on whether Chee's comment refers to the story group or us dealing with things on a case-by-case basis.

Originally posted by SunRazer
but that particular quote is now retconned out of existence.

Proof?

@Geistalt. Of the game proper, which doesn't come with this information. Nah, I'm afraid the quotes supporting this article have reached a critical mass of zero. 🙁

The quotes are incompatible. Obviously this one can't be canon if Plagueis and Vitiate are more powerful than Revan.

There is no "game proper." There is only background information and the RPG's mechanics/stats.

You have no idea what critical mass means.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The quotes are incompatible. Obviously this one can't be canon if Plagueis and Vitiate are more powerful than Revan.
Same goes for Exar > Abeloth.

And, apparently, that's not how the EU worked. It only worked if characters were proven exempt with retcons later.

Which is why Exar isn't > Abeloth, lmfao.

No idea what you're rambling on about. Retcons always come later than the original source; just how did you think it was possible otherwise? Both Plagueis and Vitiate's quotes come from after this quote as well.

And why Valkorion and Plagueis are the exceptions to that statement.

Originally posted by Geistalt
There is no "game proper." There is only background information and the RPG's mechanics/stats.

You have no idea what critical mass means.

So what do you play with then? 😂

The quote just doesn't apply to those two characters. It doesn't lose it's original meaning (i.e. more powerful than all to that point of time) just because two new Sith are added. The original tally should and still is considered under its rule.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So what do you play with then? 😂

The mechanics/stats.

The background information is differentiated from it for a reason.

Which is why it's just easier to go with my interpretation, lol. That way, we can still fit in the quotes about Dooku > Revan, Nihilus > Revan, and Vitiate/Plagueis > Revan; and it's still perfectly valid.

We get into all sorts of complicated discussions about retcons if we take Ant's approach.

Interpret it however you want. No one's stopping you.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku > Revan, Nihilus > Revan

(Neither of which are canon even ignoring this quote).

Originally posted by Geistalt
The mechanics/stats.

The background information is differentiated from it for a reason.

😐

No friend, you play with the miniatures. Which are sometimes packaged with background information about the miniatures, which are canon.